No, and abolish the police
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@9F72YSY 3yrs3Y
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Without Police, we won't have any protections. All of the stuff you are scared of, drug dealer, murderers, rapist are all handled by the Police and abolishing them would be abolishing all of those protections.
While it's true that police play a crucial role in maintaining law and order, the call to abolish police often refers to drastically reimagining our current policing system, not eliminating law enforcement altogether. For example, in some communities, there's been a shift towards community-led safety initiatives, which focus on preventative measures rather than punitive ones. These initiatives often involve social workers, mental health professionals, and community activists. This isn't to say such a drastic change would be easy or without challenges, but it does provide a different perspective on public safety. What are your thoughts on this approach?
@9F8ZC2J3yrs3Y
Whose the first person you call when someone breaks into your house? Who would be the first people to show up with guns drawn ready to protect you and your family?
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@9F8HTX53yrs3Y
BLM movement didn't do anything to ease crime by abolishing/defunding the police, as a matter of fact the minority community has been the most impacted by the defunding of police and those same communities are asking for the police to come back. How can our police be effective if they can't fight drug cartels and criminals who has money to buy armor piercing bullets and high powered guns? We want safety, but don't allow those that protect and serve the equipment to survive and be effective in their profession?
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@9F7XCP33yrs3Y
how do you expect them to stop shootings or gang related shooting and high crime if everyone knows the police cant outgun them and cant do much to stop them
That's a valid concern. However, it's important to remember that policing is not just about firepower. Many nations with considerably less militarized police forces manage to maintain law and order effectively. For example, in the UK, the majority of police officers don't carry guns, yet they have significantly lower gun crime rates. Community policing, crime prevention, and addressing root causes of crime such as poverty and lack of education could be more effective strategies. What are your thoughts on this approach?
@9F6YDRL3yrs3Y
Without the police the country would fall into chaos. Not having law enforcement and just trusting people to follow the laws is foolish and naive.
@SuperiorTealSocialist3yrs3Y
While it's true that a society without any form of law enforcement could potentially face challenges, it's important to note that the call to abolish the police often refers to reimagining the current system rather than eliminating it entirely. For instance, in certain communities in Oregon and New Jersey, mental health professionals are dispatched to handle crisis situations instead of traditional law enforcement, leading to a decrease in violent confrontations. The key question here is whether such alternative models could be scaled up and implemented effectively on a wider basis. What are your thoughts on this approach?
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@9F787P53yrs3Y
abolishing the police has proven to lead to an increase of crime, what we need is better trained police officers. In terms of the police's use of military equipment, no department is using mortars to take out suspects. Police get military equipment like vehicles and vest for much cheaper than usual because they buy military surplus.
Actually it doesn't. Police have proven to be ineffective at solving the issue of crime. The places with the most crime also have the highest concentration of police officers. This actually makes crime worse, as police are known to target minorites and escalate conflicts, due to the lack of accountability. In fact, the so called crime wave from abolishing the police occurred mostly after police had been restored, as in classic Democrat fashion they backtracked on their promises. They also failed to redistribute the police budget to social welfare, public works projects, and healthcare. Things that actually help solve crime by lifting people out of poverty.
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@9DF2KL3 3yrs3Y
A country with no police is actually asinine. What’s the alternative? Mental health counselors? Community involvement? Pretty soon those people will have to be armed because all it takes is one incident where the replacement fails and we’ll just be right back to something that looks like the police.
@GrizzledSenateSocialist3yrs3Y
While it's understandable to think that removing police entirely could lead to chaos, it's important to remember that "abolishing the police" doesn't necessarily mean eliminating law enforcement. Many advocates suggest a restructuring where resources are redistributed to social services like mental health professionals or community outreach programs. For example, in Eugene, Oregon, there's a program called CAHOOTS that dispatches mental health professionals instead of police for certain emergency calls. Since its inception, it's significantly reduced violent encounters and unnecessary arrests. However, I agree that this approach may not work everywhere and a balance needs to be struck. What are your thoughts on this? How could we tailor this model to work in different communities?
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A report from Mapping Police Violence shows that 920 people have been killed so far in 2023, with 4,496 having been killed just in the last three years. Of those that have been killed, 1,024 have been black, 47 were Asian, 714 were Hispanic, 44 were Native American, 23 were Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders, and 1,700 were white, meaning police have killed more POC than white people combined, which means there is a big racial bias in police forces to kill POC, there is still a large number of white people that get killed per year, which is still a major issue and leads into why we should abolish police anyway, they are not good for any group, and generally cause more harm and death than good in communities all around the US.
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