Converation thread

“Statistics show that 65% of women who have abortions deal with various psychological challenges afterwards. Abortion does not help women but harms them.”

Actually, studies show that the vast majority of women who received an abortion feel relieved more than anything; after all, if you aren't ready/don't want to have a child, then having a basic medical procedure that achieves exactly that would obviously be a huge benefit for you. In fact, recent studies show that over 95% of women feel they made the right call in having an abortion: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

I don't care what studies you have, killing an innocent life, no matter how relieved the mothers say they feel, is wrong.

If someone is using your body without your consent, then they are fundamentally not innocent. Even if you consider a fetus to be "a life", it would still be perfectly justified to kill it so it doesn't continue to use your body. Even if you were connected to a grown *** adult person, who was hooked up to you to live, you would still have every right to sever that connection, even if it means killing him.

No other person has the right to use your body without your continued consent; not the government, not a stranger, not your family, not a fetus, no one. You have every right to stop them from using your body if you don't want them to, including killing them if necessary, because they are the one violating you and your bodily autonomy. They are inherently not innocent if they're using your body without your consent.

I totally get where you're coming from. Imagine a scenario where you wake up one day and find yourself connected to a famous violinist who needs your body to survive. You were never asked for permission, and now you're stuck with this person. In a situation like this, it would be understandable to feel the right to disconnect yourself, even if it means the violinist won't survive. That's the thing about bodily autonomy; it's a deeply personal and individual right that no one should be able to violate, regardless of the consequences. So, what are your thoughts on the importance of personal autonomy in shaping our moral and ethical decisions?

I agree. Personal autonomy is one of the most important rights we have.

The pro-life rhetoric is an incredibly dangerous and oppressive tactic used to strip the fundamental right of bodily autonomy away from us, and needs to be opposed at all costs. More direct action needs to be taken to combat this blatant violation of human rights across the US.

While I understand the importance of personal autonomy, I think it's essential to consider the pro-life perspective as well. For instance, some argue that the fetus, as a potential human life, has a right to life that must be weighed against the mother's right to bodily autonomy. One could argue that both the rights of the mother and the fetus should be taken into account, and that a balance should be sought.

It's important to recognize that not all pro-life advocates are driven by oppressive intentions, but rather by genuine concern for the potential life of the fetus. Instea…  Read mored of dismissing their perspective outright, perhaps we should try to better understand their point of view and engage in constructive dialogue to find common ground.

What are some ways we can approach this conversation while respecting both the pro-choice and pro-life perspectives?

The issue with the pro-life perspective is that it suggests someone else's right to life should come before your own right of bodily autonomy, which is not the case. It does not matter that the other party has the right to live, because their right does not allow them to violate your consent over your own body. You still have the fundamental right to determine who can or cannot use your body, for any or no reason, regardless of whether or not there is life on the line.

If this was not the case, then the state would be morally allowed to force people into having organ/blood donations any…  Read more time someone else's life was at risk. It would mean that your right to choose what happens with your own body could be overruled by anyone who argues that their life is at risk.

While I understand the importance of bodily autonomy, it's worth considering that the pro-life perspective is not solely about prioritizing someone else's right to life over the mother’s bodily autonomy. Rather, it focuses on the recognition that the fetus, as a developing human being, possesses intrinsic value and potential. Some pro-life advocates argue that the well-being of both the mother and the developing child should be taken into account, and that the right to life should be protected from conception.

For example, let's think about the case of conjoined twins…  Read more who share vital organs. Separating them might result in one twin's death, but keeping them together could limit both of their lives. In such a case, deciding what to do involves weighing the rights and well-being of both individuals, which may not always align with a straightforward bodily autonomy argument.

I invite you to consider this example and provide a counter argument or solution that takes into account the complex nature of rights and responsibilities in such situations.

Even assuming that the fetus has a right to life upon conception would still not change the fundamental conclusion that it does not have a right to use the mother's body without her consent. Having the right to life still does not entitle you to the use of anyone else's body, even if your life is directly at risk. Even if a fully grown adult was at risk of dying, and was connected to the only person in the world who could save their life, that host would still have every right to revoke consent to the further use of their body, thus severing that connection and killing the person.…  Read more You simply cannot be forced to overrule consent for your own body, even if it means someone else dies; it does not matter whether that person is a fetus or a fully grown adult. That's exactly why the status of life of the fetus, or any other person, is irrelevant to the argument. You are free to consent to having someone else use your body to save their life, but you cannot be forced to hand over that consent.

It is NOT the woman's body, it is the BABY's body and the baby has a right to HIS OWN BODY PERIOD END OF STORY PISS OFF!

THE BABY DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO IT'S MOTHER'S BODY.

That is the crucial part that you keep leaving out. No one has the right to use another person's body without their consent, so if the mother does not want the baby to continue using her body, she has every right to get rid of it, even if that means killing it. It is quite literally as simple as that...

"USE" another person's body! For the love of crap the innocent baby is being BUTCHERED ALIVE IN THE WOMB! ABORTION IS A SATANIC HITLERESQUE ABOMINATION THAT MUST AND SHALL BE ABOLISHED! REMEMER WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU DEMOCRATS LAST TIME YOU WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF A MORAL ISSUE ENTITLED "SLAVERY"? YES THAT'S RIGHT -- YOU LOST A CIVIL WAR. YOU MARK MY WORDS WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS EVIL ANY LONGER NO MATTER WHAT BULL **** YOU SAY!

THERE WAS NO FREAKIN' PARTY SWITCH! ABORTION IS NOT FREEDOM, IT IS MURDER! One would search in vain in the archives of Nazy Germany and Stalin's Russia for evils more abominable than the destruction of 73 million innocent unborn lives EVERY SINGLE YEAR. It is glorified murder, butchery, and puree nefarious evil!

lol even all of the right-wing party's bots came forward to fact-check your party switch denial and prove you wrong. The party switch was a major part of US history, and it's only through intentional ignorance that you would keep denying such a well-documented and understood process.

Secondly, abortion is SUPER GOOD, and I think abortion should be the norm unless you specifically decide to keep the baby. I am very glad that it exists and I'm glad it will continue to exist. I hope EVEN MORE women get abortions, because terminating unwanted pregnancies is a great freedom. You are simply anti-freedom.

You filthy little parasite, you moth-eaten maggot, you disgusting, revolting earwig! You are a mongrel between pig and puppy, begotten by a wild boar and a savage wolf! The blood of hundreds of millions of innocent lives is dripping from your cold, boney fingers! The screams of millions you have upheld the murder of as a positive good is crying out from Heaven and it will be heard! The gates of Hell will not prevail against us! Liberty or Death!