Without the EC voting for the President will be a pure democracy, and pure democracies usually fail
One can almost predict that big cities will gain all the power and it will be used to enhance the lives of those who reside there, and the nations rural areas (which are also very important) will decline.
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@9FDQ9973yrs3Y
Rural areas that supposedly benefit from the EC do not actually benefit from it, and quality of life in rural communities—alongside social mobility—is actually in decline. Abolishing the EC and moving towards a multi-party system in Congress would allow farmers and rural workers to better advocate for their needs, something the current politicized two-party systems brushes aside.
@Helcovich-Emire4 days4D
How would abolishing the EC allow farmers and rural residents to better advocate for their needs? If it was a popular vote, the only places that would matter are the big cities (NYC, LA, etc). States in the rockies and plains would have almost no power in the election, meaning candidates will not bother with supporting their interests and will only care about the group of people who have a say in the election - which are the cities and metropolis areas.
If it was a popular vote, the city of New York (8.48 million) will have more power in the presidential election than the states of Montana, Idaho, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, and Wyoming combined Read more
Athenian democracy addresses the needs of the people better than a representative democracy could. The standing electoral system in America contradicts my beliefs.
@JudicialAlexandra3yrs3Y
I remember visiting Athens a few years ago and being fascinated by the concept of Athenian democracy, where every citizen had a direct say in decision-making. It's interesting to think about how such a system might impact the U.S. today. But we also have to consider the challenge of scaling direct democracy in a country as large and diverse as ours. Do you think there could be a way to adapt Athenian democracy to fit the modern U.S.?
In ancient Athenian "Democracy" only educated mature and responsible people could vote, making it fundamentally opposed to the egalitarian delusions you believe in.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2yrs2Y
@B7667VNLibertarian9mos9MO
today there are only two parties, and canidates only campaign in swing states. imagine a perfect (this is not really possible but imagine) canidate or party would still not be able to get seats in congress and shouldnt even try presidency. voting has become obsolete cause it doesnt repersent the people
@9Y9P4392yrs2Y
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@9RSRMW62yrs2Y
Big cities have more people, and you are assuming more people means more democrats.
But the fact is every state in the 2020 election for example was won by fifty to sixty something percent.
imagine that. Every state is very close. Winner take all for a state does not make sense.
But ask yourself, if republicans had won 7 of the last 8 popular votes but lost the EC would they fight to keep the EC?
@Helcovich-Emire4 days4D
That's because even states with big cities still have rural areas. New York and California, yes New York has NYC and California has LA which vote heavily democratic, but they also have large rural areas which sort of balance out the overwhelmingly liberal votes from the cities.
As for your comment on the winner takes all, yes that isn't very good. We could do what Nebraska and Maine does, but that would make presidential elections subject to gerrymandering. You can't gerrymander state lines, but you can gerrymander district lines. The votes given to each candidate could be propo… Read more
@B636G7G 11mos11MO
The states and cities with the largest population have the most electoral votes, so that reasoning is moot. Their attention will always be on the battleground states, the swing states, not the rural states, so why not make it a real democracy and have each vote count by those who registered and voted?
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Without the EC voting for the President will be a pure democracy, and pure democracies usually fail.
No, a national popular vote for President would still be representative democracy, just like electing senators and representatives. Pure democracy is when the people vote directly on legislation, with no intermediate representative.
A President is a representative of the people, so electing a president (either directly through NPV or indirectly through EC) is still representative democracy.
Alexander Hamilton, 1788:
Democracy in my sense [is] where the whole power of the government [is] in the peo… Read more
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