Which political ideology do you most identify with?
So, to clarify, the laws of logic are tools that we use because they work?
They work BECAUSE we made up what words mean and how communication functions. The laws of logic were not some kind of objective force that we discovered and decided to utilize, like the laws of gravity or the laws of physics, nor are the laws of logic something that we decided on, like legal laws...they are simply functions derived from the made-up meanings that we created as a means of communicating. There would be no "laws of logic" if we did not make up meanings for things; there were no "laws of logic" until we created meanings and applied them to each other. The laws of logic only work BECAUSE we all accept a universal understanding for certain meanings, like what "true" and "false" are; these laws only work so long as we all accept that words mean what we assigned them to mean.
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If the laws of logic are conditional upon what we all accept, we have the never changed in human history as the language changes? Language is constantly evolving! They would not be laws if they mere things made up to sort information and understand one another like language. They wouldn't be laws at all, but conventions.
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Different languages are merely different ways of communicating the same meanings. Words mean things only because we assigned words TO meanings (or to things, actions, etc. depending on the word's parts of speech).
For example, the law of identity would posit that something that is red...is red. This is simply due to the fact that we created the word "red" specifically to describe things that "are red". Other languages will all have their own word that also just describes things that "are red". The words can be different, but the meaning that these words are… Read more
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The law of identity literally means that a thing is itself. This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function. Laws of logic have nothing to do with words, they exist before human language. That's why the entire universe works in a manner perfectly consistent with logical laws, and why we are able to reason at all. With all due respect, words are not close to the same thing as universal, invariant, logical laws, because words are conventions made up by mankind.
@VulcanMan6 4mos4MO
This is not something mankind can event as language, because without this basic law the universe would be unable to function.
This right here shows a complete misunderstanding of what the laws of logic are and do.
The laws of logic absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself, they are simply principles that provide an objective basis in, as the name suggests...logic. The universe itself does not have any "logic" because logic is a man-made concept; logic does not exist at all without anyone to communicate it, because logic itself is merely a property of communication.… Read more
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If the laws of logic "absolutely are not a governing force of the universe itself" why do we never get x-and-not-x at the same time, in the same sense? Why is, for example, a celestial body never both a neutron star and not a neutron star at the same time? Why can two truths never be contradictory to each other? Why can the earth not be both spherical and flat at the same time? It's because, obviously, the laws of logic apply to the universe itself, otherwise they would merely exist inside our brains – and how could we expect information that evolved inside our brains to be reliable in any way, shape, or form? How without God, can we trust the reliability of the human senses, understand the rules of correct reasoning, or have any basis for basic morality? None of these questions have been answered...
