Proponents argue that hiring based strictly on merit ensures that the most qualified individuals are chosen for positions, promoting efficiency and productivity. They believe that focusing on merit alone avoids potential bias from affirmative action or diversity quotas. Opponents argue that eliminating DEI initiatives may lead to a lack of representation and reinforce systemic inequalities. They believe that diversity in the workforce leads to better decision-making, innovation, and a more inclusive society.
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@ISIDEWITH8mos8MO
Yes
@NationalGuy47 5mos5MO
i agree, jobs should be hiring people that are the most qualified. DEI is the reason hiring people has to do with race in the first place, when it shouldn't, it should just be that the most qualified person is hired, end of story. there are actually many times DEI could possibly hurt a company, as if they need to hire more of a certain race to meet the requirements, they could have to hire the less qualified person who will be worse for the company just so they meet the requirement. and this can be for any race, it wont just be that they will hire more blacks instead of whites, it could… Read more
@B2MH57K8mos8MO
No, DEI hiring initiatives ensure the most qualified candidate gets the job and that there is no hidden discrimination
@HelcovichEmireRepublican5mos5MO
DEI forces employers to hire enough people from each race (especially minorities), which may not always be the most qualified
@B392N4T7mos7MO
Yes, but only if hiring initiatives are truly in favor of strictly merit-based hiring
@B2LTGDT8mos8MO
Yeah that sounds like it might be a good idea but I just think it would end up with white people just hiring white people
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
That is the company's choice. If they choose to hire a white person over a black person with higher merit, it is their freedom, even though it is blatantly racist.
@B2N33368mos8MO
Yes, just ensure there are clear guidelines, action, and accountability for acts of discrimination
@B5YB7933mos3MO
Don't eliminate DEI hiring initiatives, but still focus on one's individual work ethic regardless of their identity background.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
That's like saying "Don't eliminate Jim Crow but still hire people based on their individual merit, and ignore their race"
@7YS3KJPIndependent 3mos3MO
No. Since unconscious bias due to sociocultural factors is basically unavoidable, it's impossible to get merit-based hiring that fully matches up with the actual merits of a given candidate. Therefore, one of the major functions of any good set of hiring initiatives should be to take this personal bias into account and mitigate it as much as possible, and well put-together DEI initiatives do that by forcing hirers to consider the value of different perspectives in ways they may not have normally. Of course, certain implementations of DEI can become problematic, especially when they begin… Read more
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
Give me an example of an issue that could arise from pure merit-based hiring, because until you do what you're saying is nonsensical
@B3QYTKYPeace and Freedom6mos6MO
No. Include merit, but what if two people have the same merit, but are different races and gender…
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
There's always something different. No 2 people are the exact same. The decision should be based off of personality traits or interests, not the color of their skin or race.
@B3QJTH46mos6MO
Hiring should be based on both merit and include DEI to ensure people aren’t turned away with all merit needed due to their race etc.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
A strictly merit based hiring would ensure that those with higher merits don't get turned away. DEI ignores their merit ranking and places race over merit. You're not making sense.
@B54YSZ5Independent5mos5MO
Come on diversity doesn't mean lower standards! Merit based isn't equal to white Anglo-Saxon protestant. Qualified people for a job.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Those who don't want pure merit based hiring are in a way saying that poc are not as smart as white people, so they need extra help getting hired. I don't think that's true, and if anyone works hard enough, they can be given equal opportunities regardless of their race.
@B4RT63H 5mos5MO
Value merit above anything but keep quotas in place relative to the area. For instance a city of 50% males and 50% females should have companies that have roughly that same composition.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
You need to take into account traditional gender roles and motherhood! Expect less women in the workplace, as quite a few women have children to raise!
@B4QMH3Z5mos5MO
A strictly "merit-based" system sounds fair in theory, but in practice, it often favors those who already have access to the best education, networks, and resources.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
I think poc have access to fine education. I don't see what your problem is. A lot of them go to my public school.
@B4DVWJW5mos5MO
While I do not think companies should hire simply to meet the diversity quota, without DEI policies it is quite easy to discriminate and simply say “they just weren’t the best fit”
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
With DEI, it's even easier to say "I wanna hire less white people", and the government WILL support them because of DEI!
No, certain minorities such as African-Americans are at a society disadvantage to the legacies of past issues
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
The past is the past. Yea, slavery and Jim Crow was bad, but just get over it! It's been abolished for over 50 years
@B3RQ4ZM6mos6MO
They should keep DEI while implementing further measures for merit based hiring. But, saying that DEI prevents merit based workers from getting jobs is hardly correct.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
So if a company has 90% white people, and 2 applicants are applying, the white person has a slightly better merit than the black person, what happens then? They gotta choose the black person cause their company's already got so many white people in it. It could also be the other way around, black people might be doing better instead.
@B4MC2JF5mos5MO
No. Eliminating DEI initiatives would make merit-based hiring more difficult, and less accurate. This question implies that anyone who isn't a white male would not possess enough merit for a position.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
You sound like the racist here, saying that only white males can have achieve the merit required for a high position. You don't think blacks and Hispanics are capable of achieving high merit like white people? Racist!
@B5B75KR4mos4MO
Absolutely not and white supremacy must be abolished in America. Reparations must be paid to all black people, because DEI is insufficient. We deserve so much more.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
You expect to abolish white supremacy, when you yourself advocate for suppressing the white people which is exactly why white supremacy exists in the first place, because of people like you!
@B3H6FHL7mos7MO
They should just hire those who are most qualified.
@B3DVFJ9 7mos7MO
No, Proper DEI does not mean unqualified, you still have to have merit. The initiatives favor hiring those who are qualified instead of someone whose just nice or a friend already.
@B3MH69J6mos6MO
I think the main issue with DEI is not about it gets rid of merit-based hiring, it just adds race as a factor of hiring. For example, say there's a company with 100 employees and they have a policy that 50 of the employees have to be white, and 50 have to be of a different race/ethnicity. One employee retires, and the company has to find a replacement. They find the two best candidates. One is white and the other is black. They both have equal "merit. But, the person that retired is black, so to follow the policy the company has to hire the black candidate instead of the white candi… Read more
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
The government only cares if you hire a white person when a minority was suppose to be hired. If a company hires a minority when a white person was suppose to be hired, the government won't complain. No one cares about discrimination against white people, they only care about discrimination against minorities
@9VP9F35 5mos5MO
No because if done correctly in accordance with the EEOC and Civil Rights Act, “DEI hiring” is merit based hiring
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
As soon as race plays a factor in who you should hire, it is no longer pure merit based hiring. DEI seperates races into different groups, and the best from within each race "group" get hired, but sometimes even the ones who aren't the best in their race "group" are better than most people of the other race, so hiring the top from each race isn't necessesarily always hiring the best people.
@B3MQ37P6mos6MO
Yes, we should address systemic racism through meaningful programs rather than patchwork iniatives that don't solve the root causes of economic inequality
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
I agree with eliminating DEI, however the idea that our government is systematically racist is anti-white bs made to help black supremacists gain power. Actually, there may be systemic racism in the government, minorities group are favored so much compared to white people. How do you think we should end this abomination?
@B3LLFG26mos6MO
Maybe a new initiative can be made to ensure that everyone is included, but life should be based on skill, not what you look like.
@B2XXVJL7mos7MO
I feel like if somebody is more qualified for a position then they should get it.
DEI is just a program that ENSURES that it's solely merit-based in hiring, removing it would remove those protections.
@B6RYHFK2wks2W
Better programs should be put in place to give underprivileged individuals the same opportunities as higher-privileged individuals
@B6QNSGX3wks3W
Depends on the institution and their practices, if they're hiring solely just for the sake of "equality" and NOT ALSO merit then it's not cup of my tea, but if the institution can benefit based on being diverse then the issue lessens.
Deleted3wks3W
I think that his question contradicts itself and I am confused. If done right DEI should support merit-based hiring
@B6NSBHV3wks3W
Yes and No because merit based hiring is supposed to focus on the qualities they have in order to get the job but without DEI people can easily discriminate and say it was because that person "didn't fir the qualities"
@B6L9K3W4wks4W
I think that the most qualified person should get the job in important high up positions. I do believe it's important for the workplace to be diverse though.
@B6GLR651mo1MO
I think the person's skills should be seen first, and then a review of their character, but I like the idea of merit-based hiring
@B6G57ZB1mo1MO
No because who is beat merited for a job has been historically white and male. Merit based should not be totally implemented until we grow as a country.
@B654BS52mos2MO
Yes, but we should create far-reaching programs to get marginalized communities' foot in the door to break deep rooted systemic barriers to employment, rather than just diversity quotas
@B63DNJT2mos2MO
No, Merit should be the deciding factor for hiring processes, but inclusion initiatives are also important
@B62QR6YProgressive 2mos2MO
We should include an idea of having a diverse workplace but also understand that we should make sure the diverse people are competent and well suited for the environment.
Deleted2mos2MO
YES... if all systemic barriers to opportunity, access, representation, and advancement have been removed, and a fully transparent, bias-free, merit-based infrastructure exists.
@B5T6WQ6 3mos3MO
Yes, but they must follow title IX and not visibly and consistently discriminate against an individual on the basis of race, gender, etc.
@B5NQ2K84mos4MO
There should not be hiring requirements but simple equality, free of judgement and protection of rights on matter race, gender, sexuality or health status
@B5LP2GY4mos4MO
Yes; but ALL eligible candidates should be taken into account, regardless of race, sex, gender, sexuality, disability, etc.
@B5GY6HF4mos4MO
Government agencies should not necessarily eliminate DEI hiring initiatives in favor of strictly merit-based hiring, but rather seek a balanced strategy that integrates merit principles with intentional efforts to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion.
@B5FWMQ34mos4MO
They should still be some diversity inactivates, but in the end the person who deserves the job should get it
@B5F7KKP4mos4MO
No, to the extent that hiring initiatives do not strictly judge based solely on identity or to meet a quota
@B572MGT5mos5MO
while I believe companies should strictly hire based on the qualifications of the employee, it is important that that does not result in an all gender or race company due to unconscious bias or otherwise.
@9K99V29 5mos5MO
Yes, as long as it's not for the military or private companies, such government agencies maintain diverse ethics/inclusivity committees, all hires undergo sensitivity/inclusivity training, and current hires from such initiatives are not let go
@B58XHHF4mos4MO
Although I believe they should I also believe that they should increase acknowledgement on Hostile Hiring Practices.
@B4LVXX45mos5MO
Yes, however there must be some way to prove that a prospective hire was not discriminated against because of their identity
@B49D95S6mos6MO
Why does your background matter if you can do the job you should be hired based off that no matter what background you have.
@B4999TX6mos6MO
As long as Sex, Race, orientation, religion, and disability are NOT told to hirers so they can only hire based on qualifications
@8FPLGKDIndependent 6mos6MO
No. Some form of affirmative action program is an appropriate solution to ethnic and/or class disparity.
@B3RGV8Y6mos6MO
No, this can lead to extremely discriminatory practices
@B3QDF6Y6mos6MO
DEI initiatives should contribute to merit based hiring
@B3MPSZG6mos6MO
In certain cases yes, such as important jobs, however, to include ethnic and minority groups as a key part of our nation is important, because we have a lot of diversity in the nation and everyone needs to play a part.
@B2QKYQDProgressive 8mos8MO
Yes, only if discrimination is ONLY based on merit
@B2QJ5G78mos8MO
I think that you should not discriminate fro race I think anyone could be hired based on there race
@B3RVQG66mos6MO
I think it is necessary to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) hiring but only give it to those who have suffered visible valid economic hardships or others.
@B2Z72W37mos7MO
What would be ideal is that the people best would be hired for the postistion and we wouldnt need it
@B2XTKQ37mos7MO
I believe if this is removed we require stricter regulation on ensuring companies truly hire based on merit, and people of certain sex or race aren’t discriminated
@B2WQ37KIndependent7mos7MO
Have more diversity, don't just look to white men.
@B2VXZQ67mos7MO
Yes but It cant be biased. It has to be based on actual skill.
@B2V62PQ7mos7MO
Yes, with restrictions for minority ethnic and religious groups in proportion to racial and religious demographics of the nation.
@B2TJQ277mos7MO
DEI does not hire based on one's skin color or gender, rather increasing the opportunity pool to others who may not get a chance e.g. black people.
@B2SNP7D7mos7MO
Yes. Ideally, the worker pool would be mixed enough that it is not required.
@B2RKCRZ7mos7MO
Yes, if the person recruited is eligible for that position.
@B2MK98M8mos8MO
There should be diversity and merit involved when hiring someone
@B2K5C3R8mos8MO
This is a tricky question. I want to see more diversity, but I do prefer to see the more deserving candidates get the job.
@B2K4VWC8mos8MO
Government agencies should encourage hiring not being inhibited by looking for representation but for all people deserving of the job
No, the elimination of DEI acts will make it very difficult for people to get started in the workplace, especially if you are under educated or have some kind of mental illness that will lessen your ability to work effectively.
@B3G39PN7mos7MO
I value different perspectives in the workplace, but anyone who is hired should be qualified, and race should not be a deciding factor. However, I don't support government agencies being "White-washed"
@B2R6JWY7mos7MO
Diversity, equity, and inclusion hiring initiatives improve merit-based hiring by reducing discrimination against qualified candidates from marginalized groups.
@B2KSXXVRepublican8mos8MO
Yes, but hiring should still be an equal opportunity for all regardless of race, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc.
@B2KN7GJ8mos8MO
No, but the person being hired should not be hired just based on meeting the diversity quota, they must have some merit to know that they do know how to do the job and how well they will do
DEI initiatives PROMOTE merit-based hiring -- before, hiring was not merit-based, it was biased (it still is)!
@B2K5GPN8mos8MO
I think it should be a mix of both? The government should look for skills and abilities that would work within their agencies, while also not denying historically underappreciated groups within the United States.
@B2K3SSRLibertarian8mos8MO
A mixture of merit-based and DEI hiring practices may make workplaces and industries as equal as they can be.
@B2JRMDK8mos8MO
Yes, neither gender or race should be the determining factor of receiving a job, it should be your experience, personality, qualifications, and performance that determines you get hired by.
Otherwise, your just trying to give a one up by being sexist or racist by giving people an advantage over the others, not fair.
Then again, if a company or federal agency is accused of discrimination, they should be investigated, but again, hiring should be based on your experience, personality, qualifications, and performance that determines you get hired by.
@B533SJVRepublican5mos5MO
I think its gone too far, in the fact that people focus too much on the diversity now. just hire the most qualified guy call it good.
@B2KF6Y5Women’s Equality8mos8MO
I believe goverment agencies should not eliminate DEI, but should still hire based off of qualifications.
@B6Z69D54 days4D
They should hire people who can do the job regardless of race, but they also shouldn't just hire mainly white people if they aren't qualified for a job instead of a qualified person of color.
@B72W4392 days2D
DEI should remain but in tandem with merit-based hiring. DEI helps protect against discrimination, but the qualifications of a potential employee should also be examined.
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