On October 7, 2013 California Governor Jerry Brown signed a state bill prohibiting law-enforcement officials from detaining an individual on the basis of a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold after that person becomes eligible for release, unless he or she has been charged with or convicted of certain crimes, including violent felonies.
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@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
Yes
The people coming into our country, many are nice people, but it must be done through a process. Many of the people coming into our country are bringing crime, drugs, rape, etc. We will not simply assume that people are bad, but we must go through a process to prove that they are. I do not oppose immigration, but it must be done moderately in the sense of not just letting people walk in when they want and what with they want.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No
@9FQLH8PRepublican 2yrs2Y
There's no other way to resolve illegal immigration crisis. We need to stop them at the boarder, and detain and deport those who enter the country illegally.
@B4SZQNT 5mos5MO
It costs about over $10,000 on average to deport a single person. About 45% of all illegal immigrants entered legally. Illegal immigrants are about 37% less likely to commit violent crime than US-born citizens.
@B6G9NWQ1mo1MO
They also are not criminals are are just trying to lead a normal life to help provide for their families. According to a report published by the Center for Migration Studies, 69% of all immigrants in the U.S. workforce and 74% of undocumented workers are employed in jobs considered "essential critical infrastructure", compared to 65% of the native-born workforce. This suggests immigrants are more likely to work in jobs that are crucial to the country's function, many of which may be deemed undesirable by others.
@B4HSPC25mos5MO
A lot of people in the US immigrate illegally. Honestly, it doesn't affect anybody negatively for the most part. People need to leave immigrants alone.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
Yes, all illegal immigrants should be turned over to federal authorities and deported
@B6NCX22Independent 3wks3W
Not EVERY illegal immigrant should be turned over to the federal authorities and deported because not every illegal immigrant commits crimes or is only here to live life on easy mode. The majority of immigrants are here to work only to have a better life or to provide a better life to their kids, it was only when Biden had an open border policy that we saw illegal immigrants (especially Venezuelans, unfortunately, since I myself am one) commit crimes and it wasn't all of them, it was just a few one of them. It just feels like we are turning the blame towards illegal immigrants for everyt… Read more
@B6NH2DH3wks3W
In a way I agree with your statement, as someone who has immigrant relatives I am aware of the few bad ones who come to this country and do nothing but stain the name of immigrants in a bad light. However, I believe that it is not because they are immigrants that they act the way they do, but rather are just that way whether they're illegal or not and because of racism people tend to point the blame that they are illegal is the cause of crimes. I definitely agree with the fact that many immigrants come here for a better life and as someone who has seen this dream come true and is now being ripped away is something so sad that no human should have to deal with.
@B6QMDRL2wks2W
“Not EVERY illegal immigrant should be turned over to the federal authorities and deported because not every illegal immigrant commits crimes”
"not every illegal immigrant commits crimes" is self contradictory. You broke the nations law (commiting a crime) by improperly enting the country. Correct me if i am wrong.
@9G9TKYF2yrs2Y
Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves. Instead, they should provide fair trial and investigation to then consider whether or not they should be deported, and if not, they should get a chance to live in America because they haven't done anything wrong but work hard and hope for a better future.
@NationalGuy47 8mos8MO
“Not all immigrants are involved with crime and are only looking for new opportunities to support their families and themselves.”
all illegal are most certainly involved with crime because coming here illegally is a crime, and that is not supporting their families by doing illegal stuff.
@B4HSPC25mos5MO
If you live in the US, someone in your bloodline was an immigrant. Who cares how they got there, a person is a person, and should be allowed to live.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Back then, immigration was more controlled. Now, it has gotten out of hand. Green card holders are legally here though not legal citizens yet. It's the ones who don't even apply for a residency we need to deport. Also the ones who don't provide us with any labor or economic contribution need to go.
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
1. It is a practical impossibility to deport millions of people.
2. If it were possible, it would be ruinously expensive.
3. If possible and affordable, it would be inhumane to break up families, to disrupt peaceable people who contribute to our society, to return people to countries where they have no/weak ties and may be unable to speak the language or find a job, to deport people who themselves did not break the law because they were brought here as children, to dump people into dangerous circumstances due to crime or living conditions.
4. We have a treaty obligation to permit those seekin… Read more
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime
@B6SJBV81wk1W
Most of the immigrants that come to this country arrive just to give their family a better life, they pay taxes and contribute to the economy by attending their job, yet several are deported just because they were not born in this land and not due to any crime commited.
@B6NCX22Independent 3wks3W
The majority of immigrants are here to work only to have a better life or to provide a better life to their kids, it was only when Biden had an open border policy that we saw illegal immigrants (especially Venezuelans, unfortunately, since I myself am one) commit crimes and it wasn't all of them, it was just a few one of them. It just feels like we are turning the blame towards illegal immigrants for everything when 99% of us are here to work.
@ISIDEWITH12yrs12Y
No, too many non-violent immigrants are being deported
@9FQ6Y662yrs2Y
It is largely our own actions which have created the "border crisis." Above, I noted the ways in which we created conditions in "source" countries which have led to the migrations we're seeing. Also, we haven't properly funded immigration courts so that they can act on cases expeditiously. When someone lives in this country for years waiting for a court date, it should not be surprising that removing them at this point would be hugely disruptive to the deported person, his/her family, and often his/her US community. None of that is the fault of the immigrants.
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@9G4ZXCZ2yrs2Y
Why would America want to ban potential citizens from our beloved country? if our country was originally brought up my immigrants why is the country all of a sudden against it?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
We aren't against immigration, we're against ILLEGAL immigration. Get your facts straight! Immigration can be done legally, but they're doing it ILLEGALLY.
@B6W3N5DIndependent6 days6D
Many cases have been reported of ICE soldiers having deported people who have never had a criminal record only for being illegal. Even when they are legal, they get caught up in this mess (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrants-in-u-s-legally-and-with-no-criminal-history-caught-up-in-trump-crackdown).
@B6QMD4C2wks2W
Giving the government too much power has shown that legal immigrants and non-violent illegal immigrants have also been deported with the 2nd Trump administration being an example. Additionally, there is overwhelming evidence that illegal immigrants commit lesser crimes than native born Americans.
@9TNCM4512mos12MO
Yes, the punishment for illegal immigration should be execution.
A one week amnesty chance where they will simply be deported to their country of origin first. Should they not take this benevolent opportunity, a few executions to show we're serious should be enough to convince most to leave of their own accord. Exceptions for victims of human trafficking, where deportation is acceptable.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution12mos12MO
Execute human traffickers, gang leaders, and drug cartel members as examples – draw and quarter them and put their heads on spears in public places. If we want to stop crime, we have to be willing to do what it takes to stop crime. We must strike terror into criminals' hearts and show them we mean business
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Only if you can prove they've actually killed someone. If not, then death is never justified.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
We should build a giant wall on the southern border and put sniper towers on it! Like a prison, think of Mexico as a big prison, we gotta keep them border hoppers from hopping our border.
@8MCNGGC5yrs5Y
I think that it is only fair for illegal immigrants involved in minor crimes to be referred to authorities.
@9GZDTYYIndependent2yrs2Y
Yes, local law enforcement should be allowed to transfer immigrants to federal immigration authorities no matter what crime if they were found to be illegal
@Brandonnoe84Libertarian 8mos8MO
Yes, illegal immigrants should be handed over to federal authorities and deported but there should be a simple path to citizenship for illegal immigrants with no criminal record.
@9H4V8MF2yrs2Y
No, only if convicted of a violent crime. Law enforcement should have the ability to report to the federal government but not detain them
@9DYQYY7Libertarian 2yrs2Y
If someone commits a crime which falls under State jurisdiction due to it's nature, then it should be handled by the State. If it is a federal crime, then it should be prosecuted by the federal government. But a persons immigration status, while it can be a federal offense, should have no impact on the fair trial or treatment of the accused simply.
@AnteaterLaylaRepublican2yrs2Y
Would you then suggest a different approach for local law enforcement when they encounter individuals with uncertain immigration status? Or do you believe that the existing systems in place adequately address this issue?
@8NKN2475yrs5Y
Sometimes these immigrants dont have the money to buy themselves essentials and if they really need it they should have a bit of compassion
@NationalGuy47 8mos8MO
by letting them do illegal things??? thats not really compassion.
@B5SP8JR3mos3MO
The illegality of their immigration is another issue than what they are there for, consider where they are in the citizenship process
@8LQTFM75yrs5Y
I think "deported" is a strong word and they should be put in jail like everyone else.
@8LR3WX9Constitution5yrs5Y
Crime-committing illegal immigrants should be detained and deported, however, make it official with the entire deported's family on which country they need to choose to stay in for the rest of their citizenship
@9FK25GX2yrs2Y
No and abolish the police and ICE
@9CJ6CB62yrs2Y
Okay, ICE I can understand, but destroying the police without drastic social changes we’d be unprepared. Work to make the police force less on the violent side, replace some of them with social workers and reduce qualified immunity. Lord needs to be done, but cold abolition is a really bad idea right now.
it depends on the crime if it causes mental problems to the victim in the future then yes if not then they should have mandatory community service but in the case of a violent crime then they should be convicted
@8LS2JK95yrs5Y
Yes, as they are not citizens here they should be more aware of their actions.
@8XGV79M4yrs4Y
Yes, if its either that or they agree to become a citizen.
@8VRZZFSIndependent4yrs4Y
Yes, but give the choice of deportation or make them get citizenship.
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@8LSMGD65yrs5Y
Illegal immigrants should work towards gaining their citizenship. This is a hard process, but in order to live in this country one should have legal citizenship. However, one cannot come into this country illegally and expect to get away with minor crimes. They should be punished justly according to the constitution, this may include deportation. However, it is a definite deportation for larger crimes, or a higher punishment for crimes such as rape or murder.
@93TZ24B3yrs3Y
Yes but stop targeting just hispanics
@8WWR9F24yrs4Y
No, only if they are convicted of a violent crime, and too many non-violent immigrants are being deported
@8RTYJ644yrs4Y
yes, but only if they commit a crime
@B6X9GXH3 days3D
I think that immigrants that have a bad crime record should be but the other immigrants that haven't done nothing should stay
@B6X7HBV3 days3D
If they do not have a criminal record or have not committed heinous crimes, they should not be transferred to federal immigration and should be treated just like any other criminal.
@B6X7FRZ3 days3D
Yes but it should be taken out of pocket they should be punished for the MINOR crime not like a huge crime. Fair punishment for the crime.
@B6X5LSY3 days3D
It depends on what the crime is, drug related crimes and violent criminals should be transferred to authorities, and if they plead guilty or turn themselves in should alsobe considered
@B6X3LFM3 days3D
Depends on their immigration status, if they have been here for awhile and not even bothered to set something up through immigration (i.e. appointment, temp visa, etc) then they should be deported.
@B6X3FJC 3 days3D
depends on their background. If their background is violent, then they should be allowed to detain illegal immigrants
@B6WWPC73 days3D
no, I think the government should make it more accessible to get the right paper work so they aren't illegal
@B6WWJJT3 days3D
Depending on the crime committed should determine deportation. Immigrants of all kinds leave the place they are in for a better life, that should matter most.
the deportation is too far a penalty, instead there should be the regular American court including the crime of illegal immigration, but there should be assistance to help them become legal immigrants rather than deport them
@B6WSRZN3 days3D
Illegal immigrants are considered illegal for a reason. It would make sense for them to be deported.
@B6WMFVX4 days4D
Deport those with a criminal record, give the hard working immigrants a chance to apply for citizenship. Do not take parents from their young children.
@B6WM8QW4 days4D
Many illegal immigrants are deported, but the current system doesnt care about their record and will lump non violent illegals with repeat offenders of violent crimes. Non violent illegals should have the chance to gain citizenship before being deported
@B6WHVXZ4 days4D
Depends. If the migrate really is dangerous and has or admitted to dangerous crimes then yeah, BUT credibility and substantial proof will HAVE to be provided
@B6W7W9W5 days5D
If the crime allows for them to be detained and law enforcement finds they are an illegal immigrant they should be deported, but they shouldn't be detained without cause.
@B6VZ28P6 days6D
The immigration system isn’t the most ideal but in a perfect world yes I would want them to be safely and fairly detained and convicted.
@B6VYT5X6 days6D
Immigrants illegal or not should not be deported and the system to obtain citizenship should be easier for the normal person.
@B6VVZC9Independent6 days6D
I think that Immigrants should have an easier process but if anyone is committing crimes they should be punished.
@B6VSPS86 days6D
No, not at all. If we are deporting immigrants because they are "committing a crime" by wanting to live a safe life, then they should also deport anyone who litters. because that's how violent the "crime" people are committing. They also are deporting perfectly legal Mexican-Americans just because of their skin color.
@B6VQY696 days6D
Yes only if they are certain the immigrant is illegal, and they should be detained with the least amount of force possible.
@B6VQ4YH6 days6D
If it's petty crimes let them go there's so many American citizens who do the same thing and get let out so why should it be different for them
@B6VGZFF7 days7D
Not if they are actively working on obtaining citizenship or visa and have not been convicted of a crime
@B6VGYKHIndependent7 days7D
No, but if the process were easier to get into the US or you’re a child of an illegal immigrant, then yes.
@B6VFMNG1wk1W
An illegal immigrant should be provided the same legal protections and rights within the United States as citizens, as allowing an local law enforcement to hand an immigrant to federal authorities creates the precedent that even the wrongly accused must go through the federal governments rules and regulations, which are more susceptible to individual bias and administration changes. Local authorities on the other hand may hold the illegal immigrant and wait for any federal government intervention unless there is a clear and present reason to hand them over from the custody of local law enforcement to the federal government.
@B6VCHHH1wk1W
Immigrants who are illegal, and convicted of a minor crime should be prosecuted as any other American, they should be put on probation and be given the opportunity to still petition for American citizenship, which should be made easier to obtain.
@B6VBFYQ1wk1W
Make them work community service. If they want to be in the country, the have to help the country first.
@B6V8ZD81wk1W
I believe that law enforcement should only deport the illegal immigrants who are doing illegal thing’s such as drug dealing and whatever else.
@B6V8W9S1wk1W
This is being done in the wrong way and abusing the word "minor crime." Currently if any illegal immigrant does something wrong they are sent to federal immigration authorities which is a problem. There needs to be a better system, and sending every illegal immigrant to be processed is not the American way.
@B6V79Y71wk1W
There should be a process to which they are held accountable for their actions. If they are serving our country like any other citizen, then they should be provided that same process for us.
@B6TYL8BIndependent1wk1W
Yes if it's a violent crime or they have no connections to america. If they have a family in america and it's a non violent crime then no
@B6TXHJG1wk1W
Yes, but those who are coming to the U.S to have a better life in the UNITED states, but those who cause harm should be detained.
@B6TPLXY1wk1W
they should have a process and not just immediately send them to federal immigration authorities like look at their record and all that before you decide
@B6THQVJ1wk1W
I think yes but not for minor crimes, like stealing a chip or stuff like that no but for insane crimes then yes
@B6TGKW41wk1W
depending on the crime but small crimes that are not harmful to anyone its not right to risk immigrants lives for no reason.
@B6TDZ5X1wk1W
They should be held for the crimes convicted of, and granted the option to apply for citizenship and take responsibilities for their crimes, or be turned over to proper immigration authorities
@B6TBK831wk1W
not if they have begun the citizenship process, they should go before a judge and not deported. Violent crimes should be a deportation if found guilt. Conspiracy, gang related, gun related charges etc. should be deported if found guilty by a judge
@B6T8C861wk1W
Maybe... But they should in the very least be treated with kindness if they are non-violent. The current treatment and actions are disgusting
@B6T5CVN1wk1W
all crimes are serious but if its minor crime that isn't murder or stealing or SA they should be given a proper process to redeem themselves
@B6T4ZV6Progressive1wk1W
No, many illegal immigrants have fled here for a reason and we should have mercy on them, however if they resort to violence or crimes then yes they should be detained but they should only be deported if they have heeded warnings or done major crimes. or they can simply be put in jail.
@B6T25VL1wk1W
I feel like immigrants who are Truley criminals should be deported. I also feel its depends on what crime etc.
@B6SZVQ81wk1W
Only if they commited a violent crime and/or completely and purposely ignored/circumvented the process to become a citizen and earn a green card. Too many non-violent immigrants are being deported, with good reason to leave their current state, especially when the current process is so extrenous and failing them anyway, and now it is escalating to legal immigrants. Not to mention many actual citizens commit equally violent crimes and aren't punished.
@B6SZQ621wk1W
I think they should be less strict on the border but yes remove illegal immigrants but at least try and help them immigrate if they don't have a violent history
@B6SZ2KF1wk1W
yes, unless the illegal immigrants are fleeing from danger, or seeking refuge, then they should be transferred to refugee camps.
@B6SXS9B1wk1W
allowing this easily can cause even more racial profiling and cause racists to focus on petty crimes as opposed to crimes that are objectively more important
@B6SNRDH1wk1W
If they committed a crime, they should just be tried for that crime honestly. Though, if they're found to be an illegal immigrant, I would say it can be plausible to send them to immigration authorities for them to decide what to do with them, but not an immediate deportation.
@B6SNLWD1wk1W
There are many illegals who go to work and pay taxes. I think a person with a clean history should not be deported for minor violations.
@B6SFPG5Independent1wk1W
If they have been convicted of a violent crime they should be deported, if they are convicted of a non-violent crime they should be charged an fee as they being here illegally is a crime
@B6SFM4F1wk1W
Yes, deport all illegal immigrants, but only after the government steps in and curbs crime in majority black communities in inner cities, and deports H1B seekers back to India and Pakistan
@B6RYMF22wks2W
They should only be transferred if it is a violent or major crime. There should a "warning " system.
@B6RPQP52wks2W
Yes, only after being formally charged and formally convicted of the minor crime, and then only after they have been formally charged with a criminal immigration offense.
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