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@9RYWTRQComments2yrs ago

The land should go back to Palestine

It was theirs first and was stolen in the 40's. Why split the land when it was stolen from the Palestinian people, and then bombed into a powder. Why do they have to give up their homes when their homes were stolen?

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 @K3ynesianCheeseLibertarian from Wisconsin  disagreed…2yrs2Y

“It was theirs first and was stolen in the 40's”

The situation is more complex than it seems. Historically, the land was part of the Ottoman Empire before World War I, and both Jews and Arabs lived there. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 supported the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, while also respecting the rights of existing non-Jewish communities. The UN partition plan of 1947 proposed separate Jewish and Arab states, but was rejected by Arab leaders, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. This war resulted in the creation of Israel and displacement of many Palestinians, however, the Jewish…  Read more

  @NameIGuessLolSocialist  from Ohio  commented…2yrs2Y

I like the little history lesson here, but I truly cannot pick a side for this situation; both sides are bad choices. Israel commits war crimes, and Hamas started this whole thing. Israel is an ethnostate, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

 @9TYSN5J from Indiana  disagreed…2yrs2Y

“Israel is an ethnostate”

Israel is an "ethnostate" with a 21% Arab population who all have the same rights as Jewish Israelis.

  @Renaldo-MoonGreen  from Pennsylvania  commented…2yrs2Y

the Arabs do not have the same rights actually Israel just says they do.

  @Renaldo-MoonGreen  from Pennsylvania  commented…2yrs2Y

if they had the same rights they wouldn't live in a walled section of the country.

 @9SFWSH9Democrat from Iowa  disagreed…2yrs2Y

When you go to war and win, guess what it's yours. That is how every war in world history has worked. Why any nation has a say is ridiculous. Are you going to tell Putin to give back land? No because he'd shoot you in the head.

 @9MFGY5D from New Jersey  commented…2yrs2Y

Why any nation has a say is ridiculous.

Au contraire. If asked, both nations fighting over a piece of land will say it's theirs. The maps change once some other countries agree on which line in the sand to recognize. Defending and maintaining territory can look a lot like ongoing occupation, you feel me?

And anyways, borders are intangible things (and are subject to change), but people and their homes and their cities aren't. Forcing these people to get the hell out may be "the way things go", but that doesn't mean it's chill. It also doesn't have to be something we support. Not for nothing, ruining/ending the lives of Real Actual Humans for the sake of an abstraction is one of the least savory human traditions, and I'd personally be fine if we left it in the past.

 @9SY839JIndependent from New York  commented…2yrs2Y

That’s literally the same rhetoric that Nazi Germany used.

 @NationalGuy47  from Utah  commented…1yr1Y

then where would the Jews go?

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