If it's parents are human, then the offspring is human
If it's growing, then it's alive. At the moment of conception, it is a living human, with unique DNA, and when given nutrition in the right environment (the uterus (with a singular purpose to house a baby)), then it will grow to a bigger living human, just like you and me. It's objectivism vs relativism. If we can objectively know what an apple is, for instance, then we can objectively know what a human is. If one knowingly kills a living human, then it's murder. It's wrong in ALL cases.
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@B9FJKWK6mos6MO
any discussion of abortion and choice should stay between a woman and her physician. No one, government or otherwise should have the right to determine what is best for an individual medically. Who has the right to determine which life has more value? who has the right to say "you don't get a say in her health, or what happens to your body". Personal belief or opinion should not be a reason to remove access to medical care for many, nor take away rights to one's own body.
@B9FL2H8Progressive6mos6MO
Fetal viability begins around 24 weeks. It is a woman's choice to keep or abort her baby. Would it be right for a child to be born into unfit circumstances? No. Health should be the most important thing at the end of the day. If a women's health is put to risk or she was raped and impregnated it is right for her to get proper treatment based on her own values. Never should it fall on the hands of a man to make decisions for a woman and her body. It would never pass the other way around.
Abortion is something that is never planned, it is for an emergency. If that specific woman is not ready to have a baby whether it was due to rape, incest, financial issues, mental health or any issue, then that woman should have the right to choose. It is the woman’s body and they should never get told to do something that would change their bodies/lives permanently. In the first trimester of pregnancy it should be allowed.
@B9FKKN86mos6MO
It is not wrong in all cases. In some cases the mother did not choose to become pregnant. There are many aspects that make it best for the mother to go through with the abortion. For example a teen mom, or someone was sexually assaulted, or it will cause the death of the mother if they keep the child, and in some cases it is not safe for the mother to have the baby due to their environment or other aspects.
the fetus can’t feel pain until after 12 weeks of conception but once a unwanted baby is born or a baby kills a single mom during birth or is born to abusive parents you end up with kids flooding foster care unstable living conditions depressed children hungry children kids who would have rather never been born people are pro life but don’t care about all the kids dying due to their unstable family or kids being abused or neglected in foster care if the mother has medical conditions she should have a right to her own body or if she has no complications at all but she’s not… Read more
When a child is first conceived, it is not yet a human child because there is no brain or brain activity, no heart, and no vital organs. If you were to take out a newly conceived fetus, it would never be able to survive outside of a woman’s body. Woman who have a baby/fetus pass away in their stomach cannot always pass it naturally. Having a dead body or clump of cells can cause sepsis which can make the mother if not removed (which is also considered an abortion). If it were truly about protecting life, protecting the mother’s life is extremely important. A third reason of why… Read more
@B9FV7HM6mos6MO
Comparing women’s bodies to inanimate objects will never be a concrete reasoning to force them to give birth. There are countless circumstances where an abortion could be life saving, but even if the woman simply decides she doesn’t want to have a baby she should be able to make that decision with her own free will. There are limits set during a pregnancy for when an abortion can be done for a reason.
@B9GNPGVProgressive6mos6MO
Women should have the choice whether to continue to provide resources to the fetus, or to cut off access. The fetus is stealing nutrients from her body, and she should have the choice whether to let it. It is her body, and whether she has this child or not does not affect a random stranger who does not support abortion. It should be the woman's choice and her choice alone what she wants to do with the fetus in her. She is the one who has to be pregnant for nine months, go through the pain of childbirth, and then spend the rest of her life with that child. This is a lifelong commitment… Read more
@B9FHY626mos6MO
A fetus is not conscious. It has no way of perceiving anything. They are proven to be parasitical to women's bodies and raising children is EXPENSIVE, especially with how the economy is today. If a pregnancy is terminated before the second trimester, that is between the mother, a present father, and their medical consultation. Not the government, not their friends or family, and definitely not concerned strangers. Abortion is NEVER wrong in cases of rape or incest, either. Rape is incredibly traumatizing and carrying, birthing, and then having to care for the child of the rapist is a horrible reality too many women have had to live.
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@B9GBDMR6mos6MO
It's not murder. If I were to destroy an apple seed, I didn't destroy an apple, I just destroyed the seed. In context with a fetus, killing a fetus who has no organs developed or a conscious, aborting it isn't murder. I wouldn't say taking someone off of life support is murder, so I don't think abortion is either.
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@B9G9HNMProgressive6mos6MO
No human has the right to infringe on the bodily autonomy of any other human. We do not harvest organs from dead people who did not consent to donating. We do not force living people to donate organs if they are unwilling, even if they technically could. It is equally wrong to demand women risk their lives in pregnancy and childbirth and to donate their bodies to fetuses in this way.
@B9FKMVBProgressive6mos6MO
If it's growing, then it's alive and if it's parents are human, then the offspring is human, then same logic should apply to animals too. Chicken's egg would be considered chicken. Vegetarianism is opposition to animal cruelty and exploitation. However, they can eat eggs, but some may not prefer. Eggs and milk are considered vegetarian foods because they do not involve the direct slaughter of animals. The yolk and white are nutrients for a potential embryo.
@B9SGVP4 5mos5MO
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Human embryos are not people with rights or moral value. Personhood requires at the very least the capacity for developing consciousness, which is not possible until the 24th week of gestation, at which point >99% of abortions have already occurred.
Conception cannot define personhood, since identical twins form from a single conception yet are distinct people, and chimeras form from multiple conceptions yet are a single person. Brains are what determine personhood, not genes, or conception, or even bodies (conjoined twins are different people sharing a single body from a single conception).
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@B9GX9S95mos5MO
I dont agree with the moment of conception it is a living human. Onced the baby is one its own breathing in the womb or out fo the body then it would be a living human. THe offspring can die int he womb and it coudl be considered neglect if adoration is murder. Just because it is given the same nutrients then you and me doesn't mean its a human being. There are emany technically when it comes to what is considered murder besides just straight up murder. Would you rather a baby be born in a horrible situation and bring a innocent child to live a miserable life.
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