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Biology tells us that life starts at the moment of conception so when the sperm fertilized the egg, a new human being is formed and should be protected. Exceptions to abortion are miscarriages, rape, incest, and If it endangers the life of a mother. If none of those apply there are millions of couples in the USA on waitlists to adopt a child because they’re infertile.

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 @9T5NK7CDemocrat from Kansas  disagreed…2yrs2Y

Life does not start at the moment of conception. Stop using the bible as your evidence. The bible is a religious book not a scientific testbook.

 @9X3C4VF from New Jersey  commented…2yrs2Y

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Yes, religion should be separate from government. Religious books should absolutely not be used as evidence. I respect all religions and religious books by the way.

  @solo-von-kickpaw  from Utah  commented…2yrs2Y

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is your opinion evidence half the country believes in the bible I may not but is speakes truth

 @9TC4KHH from Nebraska  commented…2yrs2Y

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Really I’ll see you in hell! Are you kidding me? Are you that big of a fool?

 @9XLCSH9 from Pennsylvania  commented…2yrs2Y

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You need to understand that the bible is not off of research, just written by people many, many, many, many years ago when this wasn't as big of a problem. People should be given a choice to stop something that they don't want to do that was an accident and could negatively affect their health or position in their life, which life is very short, they should spend it how they want to spend it. I understand that the baby doesn't get to live out their own life which is unfair, but they aren't even born yet, something could go wrong with it when it is born, or it could have…  Read more

 @B7VG3KV from Illinois  commented…8mos8MO

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Please keep the debate respectful, people have their own opinions and they came here to debate them and share them, not to be insulted just because you don’t agree.

@B6ZQKCBWorking Family from Washington  reported…7mos7MO

Telling another user to go to hell

@PMastin27Socialist from Michigan  reported…5mos5MO

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Objectively Disgusting

 @9X44PM2Republican from Wisconsin  disagreed…2yrs2Y

Of course it's not life at conception to those who look at babies in the womb as property and inconvenient rather than humans.

 @Raven-Thorn from Minnesota  disagreed…6mos6MO

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No one has EVER argued about if or not the fetus (unformed embreyo) is property or inconvenient. What we've argued about is the safety of the pregnancy for mother, or the circumstances that led to that pregnancy that took away her rights as a person. For those who are prochoice, we understand that the welfare of the mother, physical, emotional, financial, is indeed top priority. It's affects her medically first to be pregnant, so medically, it's her choice.

 @B8PC6ZTRepublican  from California  disagreed…2mos2MO

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It's pretty sad that you value the welfare of the mother over the right to life of a child.

 @B5FVW3D  from Wisconsin  disagreed…1yr1Y

No one is saying that life starts at the moment of conception. A child gets a heartbeat at 5-6 weeks in the womb. On average, women get abortions when they are 2 1/2 months along.

 @B5XJJ56 from Alabama  commented…12mos12MO

and most women get abortions before that, so why are we calling this murder? when a women is rapped I believe there should always be a option for them why is no one trying to put themselves in their shoes here?

 @B9JK94G from Florida  commented…5mos5MO

and why doesnt that baby deserve to exist

 @ClamNora from New Jersey  disagreed…3yrs3Y

This is because up to 50% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, often before the woman knows she's pregnant. Is this considered a life lost?

Also, while adoption is indeed a noble path, it's important to consider the reality of the system. There are currently over 400,000 children in foster care in the USA, with a third eligible for adoption. Yet, most prospective parents prefer to adopt babies, leaving older children and teenagers in the system. This suggests that the adoption system has its challenges and isn't a simple solution to unwanted pregnancies.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these points. Do you think defining the exact moment life begins is straightforward? And how can we improve the adoption system to better accommodate these children?

 @C0mfyclouds  from Virginia  disagreed…2yrs2Y

a spontaneous abortion is another way of saying miscarriage… which is entirely different than purposefully taking the life of another human. Most miscarriages are wanted pregnancies and no one goes out of their way to induce them (hence why they are considered spontaneous) but yes this is a life lost 😔. (I mean woman who’ve had miscarriages sure believe so…) Just because someone doesn’t know they are pregnant or want to be pregnant doesn’t automatically deem that life illegitimate.

Rather than sacrifice a life (that isn’t your right to sacrifice) because a system is shot, let’s focus all this attention, as woman, on restoring this system to benefit, not only aborted potentials, but the many other children displaced for various reasons.

 @9RR8Q95  from Virginia  commented…2yrs2Y

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1 Kings 3:27

As it's clear to see, this is a deep and nuanced issue with understandably passionate opinions. I don't like the thought of abortion. All the same, even King Solomon understood that a child's best interests are put in the hands and heart of the mother. Just as the woman in the bible story chose to allow her baby to live with an adoptive parent rather than be killed, I would equally respect a mother's decision to abort a fetus prior to birth. Blessings upon all expectant mothers.

  @@1876-Elbert from Colorado  commented…2yrs2Y

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King Solomon had God-given wisdom, something many people nowadays can only dream of.

 @9XM82WF from Nebraska  disagreed…2yrs2Y

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What about the 5-13 year olds or older who get raped? Are they just forced to carry a baby that they didn't want and possibly get scared for life? Giving birth is a scary thing and it should not be considered lightly. It is dangerous, not only for the mother, but for the baby too. What if the baby miscarries? Do we just let the mother die? What if it gets fertilized in your fallopian tube? You will die, your baby will die. There is no maybe or what if, you both will die, you might as well save yourself and try again. People who get abortions often want them for medical reasons and are so distraught that it can be hard to try again, or try at anything ever again. So no, abortion is not some evil thing that is black or white, it is a very grey thing that still needs debated.

 @B3J86H6  from Massachusetts  commented…1yr1Y

The vast majority—well over 90%—are elective, done out of convenience, lifestyle, or economic reasons. So let’s not pretend that abortion is some tragic, rare procedure reserved for desperate medical situations. It is an industry of death that operates primarily out of selfishness and irresponsibility.

Now, regarding the extreme cases you brought up:

Rape is horrific. It is a vile evil. But you do not cure one evil by committing another. Killing an innocent child because of the crimes of the father is morally repugnant. You do not execute children for the sins of their parents…  Read more

  @PatriotPundit from Virginia  disagreed…2yrs2Y

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My problem with this stance is that it forgets about the life of the baby, and that it believes that suffering is an excuse for death.

 @B4HPYNB from Washington  commented…1yr1Y

that is very rare most of the time it is finacial concerns that cause the baby to die not the 30 in 1000 births that kill the woman mostly due to little acess to medical recourses

 @B282DLY from California  commented…1yr1Y

Rape should be handled with a pill. Or before 8 weeks. Later term is just irresponsible.

 @9TC4KHH from Nebraska  commented…2yrs2Y

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Too late! They are so messed up that there’s no fixing them is very difficult and nobody wants to deal with this. This happens because their birth families will not let go and that is what is sad. Do not blame this on the people that want to do good, it’s not their fault the fact that their moms, single moms get paid for them, which helps support their lifestyle or pay for the children. They already have other baby daddy‘s.. They don’t give a **** about their kids. They just give a **** about what the kids can get them. My birth mom had two children already. She…  Read more

 @BDCC6CG from California  commented…1mo1MO

Are you saying that single moms sell their daughters???

 @9SXH6DP from Ohio  commented…2yrs2Y

We have to get the kids out of foster homes and adopted much earlier. States have gotten kickbacks for numbers of kids in foster. Bionparents should get no more than 1 year to straighten up. After that rights get termed and adoption can take place. We basically have kids that are lifers in the foster system due to being slow to term parental rights.

 @Raven-Thorn from Minnesota  commented…6mos6MO

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As a former foster child I disagree. My birth mom is the same as she was years ago, and unsuited to be a parent. The reason so many foster children are crowding the system, is because there isn't enough homes for them.

I've seen plenty of parents survive DV, SA, or get clean, sometimes it's due to homelessness, lack of family, etc. Respectfully, who are you to decide that parents should have a limit to prepare to reclaim their kids? If they are making the effort, that's what counts. This doesn't stop a child from finding a good foster home, lack of foster parents do, lack of resources for those parents...but, I'm just a survivor.

 @9H4DL4B from Washington  agreed…3yrs3Y

I mostly agree with this position. However, I would like to say that incest shouldn't be an exception; most of the time, the incest exception is there as a result of concerns about genetic defects in the child. Disability shouldn't take away your right to life.

Moreso, I've seen some testimonies from medical professionals that abortion is almost never required to save the mother's life. I don't know this for sure, though, so I would look into that yourself for more detail. Just a thought I've had.

 @B52X97V from Texas  commented…1yr1Y

Yes, abortion is almost never required. But about the incest thing, we all have inalienable, God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This does not depend upon one's parents or one's genetic defects. Also, killing the genetically inferior was the entire premise of Nazi eugenics.

Abortion is murder. Honor life.

 @9SXH6DP from Ohio  commented…2yrs2Y

Tubal pregnancy is pretty common actually.

 @9TC4KHH from Nebraska  commented…2yrs2Y

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I agree with everything you say, but the sad thing is if somebody is in relationship with their father brother anything like that the family will not let anything change. We are not protecting these children. These people will never have abortions because they are not allowed to.

 @Bi11R1ghtsPigletGreen from New Jersey  disagreed…3yrs3Y

While it's true that a unique set of DNA is formed at conception, it's important to note that biological life and personhood are not synonymous. There are different philosophical, religious, and cultural beliefs about when personhood begins.

As for adoption, it's indeed a beautiful thing, but it's not a simple alternative to pregnancy. Pregnancy and childbirth have profound physical and psychological impacts on a woman's body, and no one should be forced to go through them unwillingly.

 @C0mfyclouds  from Virginia  disagreed…2yrs2Y

but “personhood” is developed, developed overtime. It can even change. A baby doesn’t have the same rationality as an adult, does that make the baby less of a person. It does us no good when we try to prescribe personhood to individuals because once it becomes subjective, and we have seen that mistake all throughout history, we start to discriminate against race, gender, babies, heck even the disabled. Ironically Margaret Sanger (a known eugenist, racist and founder of planned parenthood) believed the very thing you said. See how that mindset (of prescribing “personhoo…  Read more

 @omg123Green from New York  commented…5mos5MO

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If personhood is "developed over time", then when during gestation does it become a person? It would be morally OK to kill it before that point, no?

  @Charlotte-yeeDemocrat from Pennsylvania  disagreed…7mos7MO

On the second week there is still no visible baby or embryo because the body is preparing for ovulation

On the third week the developing baby is a microscopic ball of cells, about the size of a pinhead, and is called a blastocyst. It's still just a cluster of rapidly dividing cells, with some becoming the embryo

On the fourth week of pregnancy the embryo is the size of a poppy seed and is roughly 2mm long

On the fifth week of pregnancy the embryo is still very small it’s around the size of an orange seed or sesame seeds it resembles a tiny tadpole with a forming neural tube that will become the brain and spinal cord while the baby is developing its not yet recognizable as a human and is primarily a mass of cells

 @B4HPYNB from Washington  commented…1yr1Y

2 wrongs dont make a right its still murder even if it was rape

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