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@BB8ZK4RRepublican 4mos4MO
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unless it is do to rape or is life threatening, everyone deserves a shot at life even if they end up in foster care. If you don't want kids, be responsible and don't make them, but don't kill the one you already made. God made them with great purpose.
@BB9B2384mos4MO
Abortion should be a choice. There are 8 billion people on this earth, a few abortions simply because a woman isn't ready or just doesn't want kids shouldn't be penalized or be an issue. Accidents happen all the time. there are a lot of kids out there with parents who hate them all because they didn't want kids but was forced to have them because of abortion laws.
@BCRP456 2mos2MO
@BBW8LQX3mos3MO
As a person who was adopted by loving parents, I am very anti-abortion. I was given a chance at life and I have been able to do many amazing things. My bio-mom was on meth when I was born which made me dependent on the drug, so even though I had a very rough start to my life that shouldn't have been a reason that my bio-mom should have been able to have me aborted.
I know it may seem strange that someone who has had a life-saving organ transplant as a baby and who was adopted (my birth parents were 17 & 19), that I am pro-choice. My parents could have aborted me and I wouldn't care cause I wouldn't have consciousness anyways. But it was their CHOICE. If I became pregnant, my medications could cause a miscarriage, deformities, the pregnancy itself could kill me, etc. My medications also make birth control not as effective due to lowering the hormones in the blood. So luckily, I was able to get my fallopian tubes removed so I wouldn't… Read more
@plaguedoktor13474mos4MO
I agree and that access to abortion should be global. While not intending to generalize, it is worth noting that certain countries with high birth rates may not provide the most favorable conditions for raising many children. Birth control should be global too. You are clearly highlighting a common concern: many individuals have children they do not desire. This raises important questions regarding the ethical and moral implications of such situations.
@BB9B89T4mos4MO
I disagree. Abortion is healthcare, and nobody should be able to choose another person's body, regardless of the circumstances.
@B8PC6ZTRepublican2mos2MO
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Nobody should be able to choose for another person's body, so the mother should not be allowed to make the decision to murder her baby.
@BB9D3WT4mos4MO
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It isn't a woman's sole choice to make as the child in her womb is a separate life, a separate person, with distinct DNA and everything. In no circumstance would we approve of killing children outside the womb, inside the womb is no different.
@9G9MS7B3yrs3Y
I agree. Biology tells us that life starts at the moment of conception so when the sperm fertilized the egg, a new human being is formed and should be protected. Exceptions to abortion are miscarriages, rape, incest, and If it endangers the life of a mother. If none of those apply there are millions of couples in the USA on waitlists to adopt a child because they’re infertile.
Life does not start at the moment of conception. Stop using the bible as your evidence. The bible is a religious book not a scientific testbook.
@9X3C4VF2yrs2Y
Yes, religion should be separate from government. Religious books should absolutely not be used as evidence. I respect all religions and religious books by the way.
@solo-von-kickpaw 2yrs2Y
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is your opinion evidence half the country believes in the bible I may not but is speakes truth
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
@9XLCSH92yrs2Y
You need to understand that the bible is not off of research, just written by people many, many, many, many years ago when this wasn't as big of a problem. People should be given a choice to stop something that they don't want to do that was an accident and could negatively affect their health or position in their life, which life is very short, they should spend it how they want to spend it. I understand that the baby doesn't get to live out their own life which is unfair, but they aren't even born yet, something could go wrong with it when it is born, or it could have… Read more
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@9X44PM2Republican2yrs2Y
Of course it's not life at conception to those who look at babies in the womb as property and inconvenient rather than humans.
@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
No one has EVER argued about if or not the fetus (unformed embreyo) is property or inconvenient. What we've argued about is the safety of the pregnancy for mother, or the circumstances that led to that pregnancy that took away her rights as a person. For those who are prochoice, we understand that the welfare of the mother, physical, emotional, financial, is indeed top priority. It's affects her medically first to be pregnant, so medically, it's her choice.
@B5FVW3D 1yr1Y
No one is saying that life starts at the moment of conception. A child gets a heartbeat at 5-6 weeks in the womb. On average, women get abortions when they are 2 1/2 months along.
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@ClamNora3yrs3Y
This is because up to 50% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, often before the woman knows she's pregnant. Is this considered a life lost?
Also, while adoption is indeed a noble path, it's important to consider the reality of the system. There are currently over 400,000 children in foster care in the USA, with a third eligible for adoption. Yet, most prospective parents prefer to adopt babies, leaving older children and teenagers in the system. This suggests that the adoption system has its challenges and isn't a simple solution to unwanted pregnancies.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these points. Do you think defining the exact moment life begins is straightforward? And how can we improve the adoption system to better accommodate these children?
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
a spontaneous abortion is another way of saying miscarriage… which is entirely different than purposefully taking the life of another human. Most miscarriages are wanted pregnancies and no one goes out of their way to induce them (hence why they are considered spontaneous) but yes this is a life lost 😔. (I mean woman who’ve had miscarriages sure believe so…) Just because someone doesn’t know they are pregnant or want to be pregnant doesn’t automatically deem that life illegitimate.
Rather than sacrifice a life (that isn’t your right to sacrifice) because a system is shot, let’s focus all this attention, as woman, on restoring this system to benefit, not only aborted potentials, but the many other children displaced for various reasons.
@9RR8Q95 2yrs2Y
1 Kings 3:27
As it's clear to see, this is a deep and nuanced issue with understandably passionate opinions. I don't like the thought of abortion. All the same, even King Solomon understood that a child's best interests are put in the hands and heart of the mother. Just as the woman in the bible story chose to allow her baby to live with an adoptive parent rather than be killed, I would equally respect a mother's decision to abort a fetus prior to birth. Blessings upon all expectant mothers.
@9XM82WF2yrs2Y
What about the 5-13 year olds or older who get raped? Are they just forced to carry a baby that they didn't want and possibly get scared for life? Giving birth is a scary thing and it should not be considered lightly. It is dangerous, not only for the mother, but for the baby too. What if the baby miscarries? Do we just let the mother die? What if it gets fertilized in your fallopian tube? You will die, your baby will die. There is no maybe or what if, you both will die, you might as well save yourself and try again. People who get abortions often want them for medical reasons and are so distraught that it can be hard to try again, or try at anything ever again. So no, abortion is not some evil thing that is black or white, it is a very grey thing that still needs debated.
@B3J86H6 1yr1Y
The vast majority—well over 90%—are elective, done out of convenience, lifestyle, or economic reasons. So let’s not pretend that abortion is some tragic, rare procedure reserved for desperate medical situations. It is an industry of death that operates primarily out of selfishness and irresponsibility.
Now, regarding the extreme cases you brought up:
Rape is horrific. It is a vile evil. But you do not cure one evil by committing another. Killing an innocent child because of the crimes of the father is morally repugnant. You do not execute children for the sins of their parents… Read more
@PatriotPundit2yrs2Y
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My problem with this stance is that it forgets about the life of the baby, and that it believes that suffering is an excuse for death.
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
Too late! They are so messed up that there’s no fixing them is very difficult and nobody wants to deal with this. This happens because their birth families will not let go and that is what is sad. Do not blame this on the people that want to do good, it’s not their fault the fact that their moms, single moms get paid for them, which helps support their lifestyle or pay for the children. They already have other baby daddy‘s.. They don’t give a **** about their kids. They just give a **** about what the kids can get them. My birth mom had two children already. She… Read more
@9SXH6DP2yrs2Y
We have to get the kids out of foster homes and adopted much earlier. States have gotten kickbacks for numbers of kids in foster. Bionparents should get no more than 1 year to straighten up. After that rights get termed and adoption can take place. We basically have kids that are lifers in the foster system due to being slow to term parental rights.
@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
As a former foster child I disagree. My birth mom is the same as she was years ago, and unsuited to be a parent. The reason so many foster children are crowding the system, is because there isn't enough homes for them.
I've seen plenty of parents survive DV, SA, or get clean, sometimes it's due to homelessness, lack of family, etc. Respectfully, who are you to decide that parents should have a limit to prepare to reclaim their kids? If they are making the effort, that's what counts. This doesn't stop a child from finding a good foster home, lack of foster parents do, lack of resources for those parents...but, I'm just a survivor.
@9H4DL4B3yrs3Y
I mostly agree with this position. However, I would like to say that incest shouldn't be an exception; most of the time, the incest exception is there as a result of concerns about genetic defects in the child. Disability shouldn't take away your right to life.
Moreso, I've seen some testimonies from medical professionals that abortion is almost never required to save the mother's life. I don't know this for sure, though, so I would look into that yourself for more detail. Just a thought I've had.
@B52X97V1yr1Y
Yes, abortion is almost never required. But about the incest thing, we all have inalienable, God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This does not depend upon one's parents or one's genetic defects. Also, killing the genetically inferior was the entire premise of Nazi eugenics.
Abortion is murder. Honor life.
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
@Bi11R1ghtsPigletGreen3yrs3Y
While it's true that a unique set of DNA is formed at conception, it's important to note that biological life and personhood are not synonymous. There are different philosophical, religious, and cultural beliefs about when personhood begins.
As for adoption, it's indeed a beautiful thing, but it's not a simple alternative to pregnancy. Pregnancy and childbirth have profound physical and psychological impacts on a woman's body, and no one should be forced to go through them unwillingly.
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
but “personhood” is developed, developed overtime. It can even change. A baby doesn’t have the same rationality as an adult, does that make the baby less of a person. It does us no good when we try to prescribe personhood to individuals because once it becomes subjective, and we have seen that mistake all throughout history, we start to discriminate against race, gender, babies, heck even the disabled. Ironically Margaret Sanger (a known eugenist, racist and founder of planned parenthood) believed the very thing you said. See how that mindset (of prescribing “personhoo… Read more
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If personhood is "developed over time", then when during gestation does it become a person? It would be morally OK to kill it before that point, no?
@9FCBW4C3yrs3Y
Abortion does not equal killing children. When a women decides to treat her own body and get an abortion, she is preventing the embryo from forming into a child, meaning that there is no baby yet and it is not murdering anyone. A women should be allowed to make her own choices and if she feels that the baby would not have a good life at that point in time then she may choose to rightfully terminate her pregnancy.
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
What? an embryo is literally a baby in the early stages of development. It only takes a simple google search to figure that out. But forget about the baby being in the mother, you literally just rationalized dissent and human sacrifice simply because someone deemed that life not fit (“the baby would not have a good life”? what’s a good life? who has a good life? and how do you determine if that life is good enough to live?). See how that makes no sense? It’s not a “woman’s choice” to kill another life. Period.
@AffectedBoars3yrs3Y
Indeed, the topic of when life begins is a central point in this debate. While some argue that life begins at conception, owing to the distinct DNA and potential for development, others assert that life starts at a later stage when the fetus can survive outside the womb.
Consider this, if we discovered a single-celled organism on Mars, wouldn't we proclaim we've found life? Yet, when it comes to a zygote, a multi-cellular organism in the womb with unique human DNA, why do we deny its life status?
Furthermore, the argument that women should have a choice is definitely valid. However,… Read more
@9SXH6DP2yrs2Y
And, not only that, if we are saying there isn’t a good reason for continuing life if it isn’t going to be a good life, does that mean you want to term the elderly, the poor, the disabled too? Who is deciding what a good life is? This argument seems crazy to me. Every life has its place in the scheme of things. Who are we, mere humans, to decide these things?
@B98P88H5mos5MO
The "life" that was discovered on Mars was only considered life because it is direct evidence that life DOES exist on other planets. However there is a massive difference between a group of cells in a womb, and a single cell organism found on an entirely different planet.
Also, NASA isn't a medical organization, so take the VERY little they say that sounds medical, lightly
You're reasoning in a circle. Your argument for the morality of abortion assumes the morality of abortion – otherwise it's completely incoherent. Rather than defend the ideas that
(1) Abortion has to do with a woman's body, not the aborted baby's body, and
(2) An "embryo" is not a child
You assume the anti-life position in order to argue for it. This entire argument is irrational.
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@9FT2ZWJ3yrs3Y
A major party of the woman's life, she will have the child under her responsibility. if she thinks that she is not able to give to this baby a great life, its better for her to abort.
@L3ftyCodyRepublican3yrs3Y
I understand where you're coming from, but consider this: adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option. What are your thoughts on this as an alternative to abortion?
@9X3C4VF 2yrs2Y
You have to think about what the birthing person has to go through. They have to deal with an extreme amount of pain, spend a lot of money, spend a lot of time, their body changes, and more! It's not that easy. Also right now, adoption is not the best in America. A lot of people actually don't get adopted and some even commit suicide.
@@1876-Elbert2yrs2Y
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“birthing person”
You do mean mother, right? Because only females can give birth.
@LehiMello 2yrs2Y
@9XWGK9W2yrs2Y
“adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option.”
Oh, adoptions why don't we talk about that, A large percentage of girls who are in foster care are sexually assaulted or harassed, either by other women in foster care or men, being put in a strange adult's home and potentially being abused. There are loving people who want to adopt children and there are sick demented people out there who beat and will touch on kids that are not their own, especially a vulnerable child with no parents, the majority of girls who get pregnant by 16, its likely by an older man, and where does that bring us back to? Abortions, rape, incest, and guess what. Child pregnancies.
@9HGMXYXIndependent3yrs3Y
@BBDPVM4 4mos4MO
You're killing your future kids(if you weren't raped, incest, or health reasons) just because you didn't want to have a baby. That's just called being lazy and irresponsible. If you didn't want to have kids, get your tubes tied, or have a vasectomy, or even better idea, don't have intercourse without having full protection matters covered.
@BBDXBPX4mos4MO
I agree that if you are aware that you are notfinancially secure to have a baby and are deliberately putting aside any sort of protection, that you should recognize your actions have consequences. Abortion should be allowed if you have gone through any sort of trauma (rape, incest, health reasons).
@BBLYXDG4mos4MO
@BBLQ66Q4mos4MO
Years of abstinence only sex education in schools means many people don't fully understand the consequences of unprotected sex or know what preventative measures they can take. Placing the blame solely on the individual is cruel and blind to the systems that make this happen. Someone's life should not be permanently altered for the sake of a clump of cells they didn't want or know how to prevent.
@BBLMTLR4mos4MO
I do agree with this comment because it's not okay to abort your child just because your being lazy and don't want a kid. Don't have sexual intercourse if you don't want kids.
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@Charlotte-yeeDemocrat 11mos11MO
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It’s the woman who has the baby inside of her, therefore it’s the woman’s body and it’s her choice not anyone else’s
@B5MBP7B 11mos11MO
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@BB72VHN 4mos4MO
It all withers down to one question: Is a fetus in the mothers stomach a human? The answer is yes, as in 9 months, without any other intervention it will be a baby, and in 20 years an adult. There is no point you could say its OK to kill it, it's all subjective. You could say a 1 year old cannot survive on its own, and therefore should be able to be put down, but that doesn't seem right does it. Why kill when with modern technology, you can give a painless birth and then put it up for adoption? Just not right.
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@BB8NG8P4mos4MO
There are many issues that follow with having a child, while I do agree if someone doesn't use protection by choice or has intercourse often, they shouldn't get an abortion; I feel abortion is only right when it comes to rape, incest, underage people, or if the lives of a mother and/or baby is at risk. I feel it is okay as long as the child isn't a child yet and is still a Zygote. If they waited over 2 weeks and it becomes a fetus, it shouldn't be allowed.
@BB7QWXHRepublican4mos4MO
@9G2MC2PRepublican 3yrs3Y
Everyone has the right to live, even an unborn baby. Just because of whatever decisions the father or mother made does not justify the death of the child.
@9G2W76P 3yrs3Y
Yes! I agree, punish the rapist not the baby. Parents dont have a right to dictate the life of another individual. Even if they are in their womb.
@9CJ6CB63yrs3Y
I know people who would've been killed by their abusive spouses if they still had any remaining link to them, I know that they had no other viable option other than abortion to prevent from being abused, and that they would only ever be away from that spouse if they didn't have the kid. There are THOUSANDS of reasons people have them, and that is their right to choose. We do not force people to donate organs because it'll save a life, same way as we don't force people to give birth.
You would then punish a child for the mistakes of other people – punish with DEATH, DEATH! In what world is that right? The child did nothing wrong, the child's not even old enough to think of sinning! Two wrongs don't make a right. once you're a mother you're a mother forever.
@9X3C4VF 2yrs2Y
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@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
It's not about "punishment" for the fetus. It never has been. It's about restoring that woman's rights as a person that was taken from her the moment she was SA'd. Sometimes it is necessary to prevent loss of life for the mother, or in some cases both the mother and fetus if carried to term. Forcing a pregnancy that is either unsafe to carry or unwanted, for the mother, is like forcing men to pay child support for a baby that wasn't yours for 18 years.
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No child is being punished. Human embryos are not children. There is nothing morally wrong with killing a single-celled organism or a clump of cells that has no capacity for consciousness or suffering. Abortion does not harm anyone; it only prevents a person from coming into existence, just like sexual abstinence does.
@GloopdevIndependent2yrs2Y
You know people who MAY have been killed by their abusive spouses. The risk of danger does not give you the right to dismember an innocent party. Also, if there is such a serious issue regarding the safety of the mother, the problem is not the baby. Sacificing innocent lives because of a poor abuse support system is not acceptable in any way, and there are many other ways to deal with such a situation. There may be thousands of reasons to have an abortion, but they are actually just thousands of bad reasons. These reasons always boil down to "I don't see this life as worthy of existing therefore I will kill it".
@9HGMXYXIndependent3yrs3Y
@9G53LFT3yrs3Y
I'm conflicted. I agree but at the same time things can happen: rape, sexual abuse/assault, incest, not being able to even afford the child. These things happen and while in some cases abortion shouldn't be legal, in other cases it should not be. In some cases, why put yourself and the child through the pain and struggles then you both go through it? In others you're being selfish and irresponsible, you're taking the life of your child because of your mistakes. I honestly think abortion should be legal.
In cases of rape, sexual abuse/assault, incest, and unaffordability the child is just as human as he/she would otherwise have been. D-mn the circumstances, it's a human being, do not murder it.
@9KTPRPNLibertarian2yrs2Y
Children that are products of incest do not have a good quality of life. They have increased genetic disorders, fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth weight, and higher infant mortality and child mortality rates. Not to mention, 95-97% of children that were conceived because of incest report to being sexually abused as small children. I will and would always abort a child if I was raped by my father or brother. You have absolutely no say in what I do with my body, as a man.
@GloopdevIndependent2yrs2Y
It is not your right to murder babies because you don't view their life as worthwile. I don't care if you don't want an ugly baby, ugly babies are human just as pretty ones. Eugenics is an affront to human dignity and those who support it should not be respected as participants in our political system. Even if they are sexually abused, you do not get to make the decision that their life is not worth living. We actually do have a say in your baby killing because we live in a society in which the rule of law protects the life of our citizens (or perhaps I should say it SHOULD do that). Your "freedom" is worthless and invalid if it means justifying a slaughter.
@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
@Lancia-Delta-S4 1yr1Y
@9G3L78W3yrs3Y
Yes, I believe that every baby should have the right to live a life. if the mother or father is not ready for that then they can put the child up for adoption and have another capable family take care of it.
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