It isn't a woman's sole choice to make as the child in her womb is a separate life, a separate person, with distinct DNA and everything. In no circumstance would we approve of killing children outside the womb, inside the womb is no different.
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@9G9MS7B3yrs3Y
I agree. Biology tells us that life starts at the moment of conception so when the sperm fertilized the egg, a new human being is formed and should be protected. Exceptions to abortion are miscarriages, rape, incest, and If it endangers the life of a mother. If none of those apply there are millions of couples in the USA on waitlists to adopt a child because they’re infertile.
Life does not start at the moment of conception. Stop using the bible as your evidence. The bible is a religious book not a scientific testbook.
@9X3C4VF2yrs2Y
Yes, religion should be separate from government. Religious books should absolutely not be used as evidence. I respect all religions and religious books by the way.
@solo-von-kickpaw 2yrs2Y
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is your opinion evidence half the country believes in the bible I may not but is speakes truth
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
@9XLCSH92yrs2Y
You need to understand that the bible is not off of research, just written by people many, many, many, many years ago when this wasn't as big of a problem. People should be given a choice to stop something that they don't want to do that was an accident and could negatively affect their health or position in their life, which life is very short, they should spend it how they want to spend it. I understand that the baby doesn't get to live out their own life which is unfair, but they aren't even born yet, something could go wrong with it when it is born, or it could have… Read more
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@9X44PM2Republican2yrs2Y
Of course it's not life at conception to those who look at babies in the womb as property and inconvenient rather than humans.
@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
No one has EVER argued about if or not the fetus (unformed embreyo) is property or inconvenient. What we've argued about is the safety of the pregnancy for mother, or the circumstances that led to that pregnancy that took away her rights as a person. For those who are prochoice, we understand that the welfare of the mother, physical, emotional, financial, is indeed top priority. It's affects her medically first to be pregnant, so medically, it's her choice.
@B8PC6ZTRepublican 2mos2MO
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It's pretty sad that you value the welfare of the mother over the right to life of a child.
@B5FVW3D 1yr1Y
No one is saying that life starts at the moment of conception. A child gets a heartbeat at 5-6 weeks in the womb. On average, women get abortions when they are 2 1/2 months along.
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@ClamNora3yrs3Y
This is because up to 50% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, often before the woman knows she's pregnant. Is this considered a life lost?
Also, while adoption is indeed a noble path, it's important to consider the reality of the system. There are currently over 400,000 children in foster care in the USA, with a third eligible for adoption. Yet, most prospective parents prefer to adopt babies, leaving older children and teenagers in the system. This suggests that the adoption system has its challenges and isn't a simple solution to unwanted pregnancies.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these points. Do you think defining the exact moment life begins is straightforward? And how can we improve the adoption system to better accommodate these children?
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
a spontaneous abortion is another way of saying miscarriage… which is entirely different than purposefully taking the life of another human. Most miscarriages are wanted pregnancies and no one goes out of their way to induce them (hence why they are considered spontaneous) but yes this is a life lost 😔. (I mean woman who’ve had miscarriages sure believe so…) Just because someone doesn’t know they are pregnant or want to be pregnant doesn’t automatically deem that life illegitimate.
Rather than sacrifice a life (that isn’t your right to sacrifice) because a system is shot, let’s focus all this attention, as woman, on restoring this system to benefit, not only aborted potentials, but the many other children displaced for various reasons.
@9RR8Q95 2yrs2Y
1 Kings 3:27
As it's clear to see, this is a deep and nuanced issue with understandably passionate opinions. I don't like the thought of abortion. All the same, even King Solomon understood that a child's best interests are put in the hands and heart of the mother. Just as the woman in the bible story chose to allow her baby to live with an adoptive parent rather than be killed, I would equally respect a mother's decision to abort a fetus prior to birth. Blessings upon all expectant mothers.
@@1876-Elbert2yrs2Y
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King Solomon had God-given wisdom, something many people nowadays can only dream of.
@9XM82WF2yrs2Y
What about the 5-13 year olds or older who get raped? Are they just forced to carry a baby that they didn't want and possibly get scared for life? Giving birth is a scary thing and it should not be considered lightly. It is dangerous, not only for the mother, but for the baby too. What if the baby miscarries? Do we just let the mother die? What if it gets fertilized in your fallopian tube? You will die, your baby will die. There is no maybe or what if, you both will die, you might as well save yourself and try again. People who get abortions often want them for medical reasons and are so distraught that it can be hard to try again, or try at anything ever again. So no, abortion is not some evil thing that is black or white, it is a very grey thing that still needs debated.
@B3J86H6 1yr1Y
The vast majority—well over 90%—are elective, done out of convenience, lifestyle, or economic reasons. So let’s not pretend that abortion is some tragic, rare procedure reserved for desperate medical situations. It is an industry of death that operates primarily out of selfishness and irresponsibility.
Now, regarding the extreme cases you brought up:
Rape is horrific. It is a vile evil. But you do not cure one evil by committing another. Killing an innocent child because of the crimes of the father is morally repugnant. You do not execute children for the sins of their parents… Read more
@PatriotPundit2yrs2Y
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My problem with this stance is that it forgets about the life of the baby, and that it believes that suffering is an excuse for death.
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
Too late! They are so messed up that there’s no fixing them is very difficult and nobody wants to deal with this. This happens because their birth families will not let go and that is what is sad. Do not blame this on the people that want to do good, it’s not their fault the fact that their moms, single moms get paid for them, which helps support their lifestyle or pay for the children. They already have other baby daddy‘s.. They don’t give a **** about their kids. They just give a **** about what the kids can get them. My birth mom had two children already. She… Read more
@9SXH6DP2yrs2Y
We have to get the kids out of foster homes and adopted much earlier. States have gotten kickbacks for numbers of kids in foster. Bionparents should get no more than 1 year to straighten up. After that rights get termed and adoption can take place. We basically have kids that are lifers in the foster system due to being slow to term parental rights.
@Raven-Thorn6mos6MO
As a former foster child I disagree. My birth mom is the same as she was years ago, and unsuited to be a parent. The reason so many foster children are crowding the system, is because there isn't enough homes for them.
I've seen plenty of parents survive DV, SA, or get clean, sometimes it's due to homelessness, lack of family, etc. Respectfully, who are you to decide that parents should have a limit to prepare to reclaim their kids? If they are making the effort, that's what counts. This doesn't stop a child from finding a good foster home, lack of foster parents do, lack of resources for those parents...but, I'm just a survivor.
@9H4DL4B3yrs3Y
I mostly agree with this position. However, I would like to say that incest shouldn't be an exception; most of the time, the incest exception is there as a result of concerns about genetic defects in the child. Disability shouldn't take away your right to life.
Moreso, I've seen some testimonies from medical professionals that abortion is almost never required to save the mother's life. I don't know this for sure, though, so I would look into that yourself for more detail. Just a thought I've had.
@B52X97V1yr1Y
Yes, abortion is almost never required. But about the incest thing, we all have inalienable, God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This does not depend upon one's parents or one's genetic defects. Also, killing the genetically inferior was the entire premise of Nazi eugenics.
Abortion is murder. Honor life.
@9TC4KHH2yrs2Y
@Bi11R1ghtsPigletGreen3yrs3Y
While it's true that a unique set of DNA is formed at conception, it's important to note that biological life and personhood are not synonymous. There are different philosophical, religious, and cultural beliefs about when personhood begins.
As for adoption, it's indeed a beautiful thing, but it's not a simple alternative to pregnancy. Pregnancy and childbirth have profound physical and psychological impacts on a woman's body, and no one should be forced to go through them unwillingly.
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
but “personhood” is developed, developed overtime. It can even change. A baby doesn’t have the same rationality as an adult, does that make the baby less of a person. It does us no good when we try to prescribe personhood to individuals because once it becomes subjective, and we have seen that mistake all throughout history, we start to discriminate against race, gender, babies, heck even the disabled. Ironically Margaret Sanger (a known eugenist, racist and founder of planned parenthood) believed the very thing you said. See how that mindset (of prescribing “personhoo… Read more
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If personhood is "developed over time", then when during gestation does it become a person? It would be morally OK to kill it before that point, no?
@9FCBW4C3yrs3Y
Abortion does not equal killing children. When a women decides to treat her own body and get an abortion, she is preventing the embryo from forming into a child, meaning that there is no baby yet and it is not murdering anyone. A women should be allowed to make her own choices and if she feels that the baby would not have a good life at that point in time then she may choose to rightfully terminate her pregnancy.
@C0mfyclouds 2yrs2Y
What? an embryo is literally a baby in the early stages of development. It only takes a simple google search to figure that out. But forget about the baby being in the mother, you literally just rationalized dissent and human sacrifice simply because someone deemed that life not fit (“the baby would not have a good life”? what’s a good life? who has a good life? and how do you determine if that life is good enough to live?). See how that makes no sense? It’s not a “woman’s choice” to kill another life. Period.
@AffectedBoars3yrs3Y
Indeed, the topic of when life begins is a central point in this debate. While some argue that life begins at conception, owing to the distinct DNA and potential for development, others assert that life starts at a later stage when the fetus can survive outside the womb.
Consider this, if we discovered a single-celled organism on Mars, wouldn't we proclaim we've found life? Yet, when it comes to a zygote, a multi-cellular organism in the womb with unique human DNA, why do we deny its life status?
Furthermore, the argument that women should have a choice is definitely valid. However,… Read more
@9SXH6DP2yrs2Y
And, not only that, if we are saying there isn’t a good reason for continuing life if it isn’t going to be a good life, does that mean you want to term the elderly, the poor, the disabled too? Who is deciding what a good life is? This argument seems crazy to me. Every life has its place in the scheme of things. Who are we, mere humans, to decide these things?
@B98P88H5mos5MO
The "life" that was discovered on Mars was only considered life because it is direct evidence that life DOES exist on other planets. However there is a massive difference between a group of cells in a womb, and a single cell organism found on an entirely different planet.
Also, NASA isn't a medical organization, so take the VERY little they say that sounds medical, lightly
You're reasoning in a circle. Your argument for the morality of abortion assumes the morality of abortion – otherwise it's completely incoherent. Rather than defend the ideas that
(1) Abortion has to do with a woman's body, not the aborted baby's body, and
(2) An "embryo" is not a child
You assume the anti-life position in order to argue for it. This entire argument is irrational.
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@9FT2ZWJ3yrs3Y
A major party of the woman's life, she will have the child under her responsibility. if she thinks that she is not able to give to this baby a great life, its better for her to abort.
@L3ftyCodyRepublican3yrs3Y
I understand where you're coming from, but consider this: adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option. What are your thoughts on this as an alternative to abortion?
@9X3C4VF 2yrs2Y
You have to think about what the birthing person has to go through. They have to deal with an extreme amount of pain, spend a lot of money, spend a lot of time, their body changes, and more! It's not that easy. Also right now, adoption is not the best in America. A lot of people actually don't get adopted and some even commit suicide.
@@1876-Elbert2yrs2Y
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“birthing person”
You do mean mother, right? Because only females can give birth.
@LehiMello 2yrs2Y
@9XWGK9W2yrs2Y
“adoption. There are many loving families who are unable to have children of their own and are waiting for the opportunity to adopt. If a woman feels she cannot provide a good life for her child, adoption offers another option.”
Oh, adoptions why don't we talk about that, A large percentage of girls who are in foster care are sexually assaulted or harassed, either by other women in foster care or men, being put in a strange adult's home and potentially being abused. There are loving people who want to adopt children and there are sick demented people out there who beat and will touch on kids that are not their own, especially a vulnerable child with no parents, the majority of girls who get pregnant by 16, its likely by an older man, and where does that bring us back to? Abortions, rape, incest, and guess what. Child pregnancies.
@9HGMXYXIndependent3yrs3Y
@9FD95663yrs3Y
over the decision of aborting a "child" from a womb is entirely up to the person who is having the child because other people aren't going to go trough the same experience as the woman growing the child, also most people don't wanna have children in this economy and so they abort the child, also another reason is if a woman gets sexually assaulted why would they have to carry their attackers offspring. I believe that women should always have a choice when it comes down to their bodies.
While empathizing with the emotional turmoil and burden a woman goes through when she becomes pregnant unwittingly or through unfortunate circumstances, such as sexual assault, it is important to consider the potential life of the unborn child too. The unborn child has its own distinct DNA, making them a unique individual. Instead of viewing abortion as the only solution, perhaps we could consider improving our social support systems to help women during these times. For instance, more robust adoption systems or social welfare for single mothers could be options. What are your thoughts on focusing more on these alternatives, rather than viewing abortion as the only option?
@727DDXP2yrs2Y
While it's true that the fetus has distinct DNA, the issue becomes more complex when considering bodily autonomy. We don't force people to donate organs or blood even if it could save another life, so why should a woman be compelled to use her body to sustain another life against her will? If we respect personal bodily autonomy in one context, shouldn't we respect it across the board? How do you reconcile this with the principle of individual rights?
@9FCC8CF3yrs3Y
There is absolutely 0 evidence to support the idea that there is a consciousness in a fetus. However, there is in a newborn. Before we can prove there's a thought, there's no reason to take those risks to a woman's life.
@Pl4tformCheetahDemocrat3yrs3Y
While it's true that current science can't definitively prove fetal consciousness, it's also important to note that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For instance, science has yet to fully understand the nature of consciousness even in adults. Should we base the value of life solely on our current understanding of consciousness?
Additionally, there are numerous studies showing that fetuses can respond to stimuli, such as sound and touch, as early as 20 weeks. If we're speaking about risk to a woman's life, it's worth mentioning that in many countries… Read more
@VulcanMan6 3yrs3Y
Actually, it is very different. A child inside a womb is literally using its mother's body, whereas a child outside the womb is not. No person, even a baby, has the right to use another person's body without their consent, thus why an unborn child does not have the right to use its mother's body if she doesn't want it to. If a mother does not consent, or no longer consents, to the use of her body, then she has every right to stop them from continuing to do so, even if it means they will die, because she, and all people, have the right of bodily autonomy, and can decide who can or cannot use our own bodies, at any time, for any or no reason. The distinction here is about consent, not life.
@9G6JCL93yrs3Y
@9FW3D2MRepublican3yrs3Y
I completely agree with this statement if you chose to have sex and not practice sexual safety then you should not have the choice to kill and take a precious life.
@VulcanMan6 3yrs3Y
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People love to say this, yet they still give no care the the children outside of the womb. Many kids are still living in poverty, abusive homes, still have to go to school with the threat of a shooter hanging above them, and many of those who argue against abortion are also the people who ignore these issues, they only care about controlling women, not the child itself, if they did, they would be attacking the real issues that I just stated and more. Women should have autonomy over their own body, just as everybody else does, especially when it comes to bringing new life into an unfit world.
@9ZZZLPB2yrs2Y
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what Abortion usually comes down to is, "kill the mother and deliver the fetus." Or "kill the fetus leave the mother alive." by U.S code a baby is only a human when pushed out As used in this section, the term “
born alive
”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbi… Read more
@9W65PR6Republican2yrs2Y
Sometimes it is not always their choice to make the baby. Whether they want the baby or not is their choice completely. The baby isn't even able to feel anything until after 3 months. Some say it would be better to just put it up for adoption but they don't realize how many kids have to sit in foster care for their entire childhood. And especially if it is a rape baby of all things. No woman should have to go through all of that pain and trauma.
@9VNDFCDPeace and Freedom 2yrs2Y
I am pro-choice, and I'm not saying I disagree with this, but at the same time I really am. Abortions aren't something that we can control, it's the MOTHERS decision, NOT OURS. Yes, killing children is harsh, but that's never our decision to make. People who abort their babies have their reasons. Some people are forced into it by their parents. My best friend was forced to have an abortion by her dad after she got raped and got pregnant. That does NOT make her a bad person, it makes her human.
@9X3C4VF 2yrs2Y
@9X3C4VF 2yrs2Y
I support abortion all the way. This is because I believe that a birthing person should have control of their own body. The government has no right to have a say in what a person does with their body (my opinion). It's better not to be a parent then me a bad parent. Why are we taking away the rights of one person and giving them to a parasite? We have to think about the birthing person, they have to go through so much pain. In the cases where you accidentally get pregnant and don't what to be pregnant, in my opinion this pain is not fair punishment for the birthing person. To those… Read more
The woman gives birth, it's her body, and therefore it's her choice, and her choice only. If they planned the pregnancy then there would be no need to abort but if the man didn't use a condom then he's at fault for the pregnancy, it's his responsibility to not impregnate someone. I'm pro choice and not letting the one giving birth made the decision is messed up and not right.
@9FD8CRX3yrs3Y
considering its the woman's sole body she should be given the right to choose what she wants to do with her own body. Not every situation is the same and not every woman becomes pregnant in the most ideal ways or ideal circumstances. It should be up to the woman when considering her own circumstance on whether or not she chooses to give birth to the baby or not.
@9FBTM273yrs3Y
This argument equivalates unborn fetuses to conscious, living children. So I'm sure they would also agree that the woman carrying the child is just as much of a human as the "child" inside her. Now if they can argue that the woman is the same value as the child, which is actively growing inside her and requiring many resources to support, why should the value of the unborn fetus be prioritized simply because it is also a life. Yes, one can argue that it's breathing or that it's heart is beating, but so is the mother that is having to go through daily physical turmoil to contain this child.
Abortion is the right to the carrier of the child, she has the right to her own body. There is not enough evidence to back up the claim that a fetus is conscious. A woman should have the right to this decision, especially in the instance that the pregnancy could kill or will most likely be unsuccessful.
@9FDBHQ63yrs3Y
I do not think that banning abortion should be entirely banned because there are situations in which women deserve to have the choice even though they did not make the child alone, it is there body and having kids cause more then body changes but physiological changes as well. There is more risk in the factor for women then a man. Women are more viewed by "society" to stay in the Childs life unlike fathers.
@9FCTRBK3yrs3Y
@9FC449N3yrs3Y
It is a women's sole choice if not sole, then including her partner/Significant others choice in the matter. It won't be the government taking and raising the child, doling out money. No one tells you to eat or not eat breakfast in the morning, just like that it is a choice. Or on the other hand we can just force men to get vasectomies if you want to just focus on 1 gender seeing as and you only look at women as vessels.
@9FBV43SWomen’s Equality3yrs3Y
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@9FBTWKM3yrs3Y
Although it takes two to create a child, the woman must sacrifice her body for up to 9 months in order to have this child. I believe in consequences to your actions, but there are certain circumstances in which a woman should not have to carry. Whether she's rape victim, mentally unwell/unstable, or even not financially sound enough to provide the child with a good life; she should have the choice to end the pregnancy.
Inside a woman's womb is a bundle of cells that hasn't fully developed. A woman must have a right over her own body no one else should have a say in what is not theirs. Women and teenagers cannot afford to have a child at that point in their life. There are also circumstances of SA and rape that can leave anyone scared, so why must they suffer with something that they don't want to remember.
@9FBTNZS3yrs3Y
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@9FTFP6W3yrs3Y
Women are not the world robot baby makers, if you are going to be forcing women to have the baby they do not want force the fathers to pay child support and BE THERE for the mother and the kid instead of making women have children with fathers that are able to get up and leave her alone without any financial support
@9FSSYRLWomen’s Equality3yrs3Y
It is a woman choice as it is her body, the life within her is is still an embryo and is still developing. If the mother wants what is best for the child and believes that her environment is not the best for a child it is her given right to believe that. Killing children outside the womb is different from inside the womb, since the child has no memory, feelings, or consciousness. Parents want what is best for their children, and sometimes that can come at a price.
@9FRCTPF3yrs3Y
The woman is the person creating the child. There are so many different factors to child birth. Her body could be unprepared to create another person. She herself could be financially, emotionally, physically unprepared to take care of another person's life. Requiring her to have a baby when she is unprepared is setting up both the women and the baby for failure.
@9FQTYQQ3yrs3Y
It should be a woman's choice to bring life into this world. Why are we treating a fetus with more right than the woman and her body? If a woman thinks that she can not raise a child with the care it needs, then it should be her choice to not go through with the pregnancy. Adoption is not the magical solution, many kids age out in the system, and were treated horrible in the hands of foster parents, that system already need help we don't need to bring more kids into the mix of it. There are many cases where the child is not made consentually. Why should a women have to go through somthing like that then bring that person's child into the world?
@9FQH4H53yrs3Y
@9FFR2523yrs3Y
I mostly agree with this statement. The only time I'm "ok" with it is if continuing the pregnancy is a death sentence for BOTH mother and child. ONLY THEN do I think it should be allowed, but that's such an extreme case, but a tragic case nonetheless.
If you are not ready to be a parent, you should abstain from sexual relations, regardless if you're a man or woman. Yes, the woman is the one that carries the child, but it is both on men and women to live responsibly. Getting an abortion is punishing someone else for a lack of accountability on your end.
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@9FDFDLX3yrs3Y
It’s not killing the child if the child hasn’t taken a breath yet and also it should be up to the mother if they want to have a child or not. Kids cant adopt kids so why should it be ok for a kid to birth a kid. What if a child was attacked and now is having a child, this baby would always be a reminder of that person who hurt them so why should they have to hold all of their trauma with them.
@9FD9L7VLibertarian3yrs3Y
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@9HRGYCZ2yrs2Y
We should seek to remove restrictions and expand freedoms. I approve any reduction of laws, reject any new laws, and support any expansion of rights. What I see here is a discovered right that needs to be added to the constitution.
A medical procedure should be between a doctor and the patient(s). No government involvement at all.
Is it moral to kill an unborn child? No it is probably not moral, but should it be illegal, no. There are plenty of laws that can be seen as immoral, such as capital punishment (killing is wrong) already working in society. *NOTE* That is meant as an example not a… Read more
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