No, this will encourage people not to work and harm economic growth
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@7FDN267Libertarian 3yrs3Y
As with everything in physics, humans tend toward the lowest energy state. With this in mind, lazy people who do not have to work will choose not to.
@9GT472M3yrs3Y
Not everyone that is unemployed is 'lazy'. Many unemployed people may have physical or mental disabilities that keep them from being able to work. A Universal Basic Income will help people who are in bad situations survive. If a person is just 'lazy' a Universal Basic Income will only help them a little, they will most likely get a job anyway to help support themselves further.
@9FSM4GJ3yrs3Y
Having a Universal Basic Income will not encourage people not the work, but will rather provide them with a safety net. Universal Basic Income will not cover the whole cost of living, as the economy and cost of living is on an increase, so either way you could not live off a Universal Basic Income, but rather give everyone a place to start.
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@B3VGV2T 1yr1Y
A strong counter-argument to the claim that Universal Basic Income (UBI) will discourage work and harm economic growth is that it may actually increase economic growth by providing a foundation for individuals to pursue education, entrepreneurship, and innovative endeavors. This, in turn, could lead to a more skilled and adaptable workforce, benefiting the economy in the long run.
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@9FPZVRB3yrs3Y
From a leftist point of view, UBI will discourage people from working and lead corporations to invest more in automated labor due to the potential loss of labor.
@VulcanMan6 3yrs3Y
There is no evidence that supports this idea that UBI makes people stop working. In fact, multiple studies have shown that very few people actually chose to stop working under a UBI, with the overwhelming majority of those people being either students who quit their jobs to focus on schooling and/or mothers who quit their jobs to focus on childcare. Even better, UBI allowed people the opportunity to leave their low-wage jobs in favor of higher-paying jobs/positions, since they were not as desperate relying on minimal wages to survive. The only real Leftist position against a UBI is that it doesn't go far enough, and is only a band-aid solution to the inherent problems of capitalism.
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It is entirely reasonable for people to no longer work if the jobs they filled barely contributed anything to the economy. Filling the workforce with less "filler jobs" helps to streamline the workforce to optimize for economic growth, and frees the time of those who previously worked these filler jobs to dedicate their time to something else or develop a skill to help contribute to the economy in other ways.
@9FNMLMLLibertarian3yrs3Y
@9FVJF7B3yrs3Y
There is no evidence for that and there is evidence against it. If you mean it will make it more difficult for private equity to capture "excess capital", then yes: if everyone getting screamed at by a **** y boss in a **** y job for **** y pay could walk away tomorrow and live a basic life then there would be chaos as they ran away and business collapsed, right? That admits the system requires those people to suffer. If they have an option to walk away then we won't need most worker protections or welfare or unemployment insurance or chip or dozens of programs, we could abolish the minimum wage, etc etc etc
@9FT79ZV3yrs3Y
In the Soviet Union they had a UBI, their was no rich but their leaders. They drained the russia's tresurary and people stopped wanting to work."Why work when I get paid $1,000 every month?".
@VulcanMan6 3yrs3Y
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While I understand where you are coming from, it is rather extreme to jingle basic human survival over peoples heads just so they are forced to work. I honestly would argue that pursuing education, dream jobs, saving for a car, saving for a dinner at a fancy restaurant, or even a vacation are all motivators to go to work and get some money. People should not have to choose between working or dying, can you imagine a world where you aren't constantly stressing about losing your home, or not being able to afford groceries this week? Universal Basic Income could work and do wonders for capitalism, we just have to do it *CORRECTLY* and avoid greed.
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There are some people who cannot physically work but deserve the right to a home, food, and basic necessities. For example, some people may be disabled or have other health issues that prevent them from working. In addition, there are also low income individuals that may need additional assistance to provide for themselves and other family members.
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@BBBZ4FRPeace and Freedom4mos4MO
Evidence from UBI trials shows that most people continue working, with only modest reductions largely among students and caregivers. Rather than discouraging work, financial security can encourage entrepreneurship, education, and better job matching — all of which can strengthen long-term economic growth.
@BB5CTMPProgressive 4mos4MO
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My best counter argument to that statement is that is there is a Universal Basic Income, then everyone will be able to pay for basic necessities (food, water, clothing, shelter). Since they have the basic necessities, they will want to work harder to earn more money and therefore boost the economy, not harm it. The Universal Basic Income program only gives people enough money so that they can survive, but if they want to enjoy extra luxuries, then they have to keep working.
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I will admit, there is some truth in that, some people would not want to work jobs if they have all of their necessities met for them; however, any people who would try to live off a UBI that only covers necessities would quickly realize they do not want to solely live off that amount, and would pursue a career capable of bringing them above the comfortable living line.
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@B6Y6XWR 10mos10MO
The primary counter-argument is that evidence from pilots and experiments shows people do not stop working, but rather use the financial stability to find better jobs, pursue education, start businesses, or engage in valuable unpaid work like caregiving or community involvement, ultimately fostering a more engaged and innovative society.
@3GVRL35 1yr1Y
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@B4FZMWD 1yr1Y
In every reputable study where UBI has been tried across time and cultural groups, researchers have observed increased life satisfaction and employment among participants. The macroeconomic incentives for succeeding in growing your economic output do not go away when you put a floor for people to stand on. Humans are still driven to improve their material conditions even if that means they do not currently live in abject poverty. What UBI does is provide a straightforward, non-means tested, non administrative state based solution to the problem of poverty.
@B3QLGCVProgressive1yr1Y
@B3HG58X1yr1Y
Using the argument that "the government should not fund programs to provide basic human rights because it incentivizes a reliance on the government and results in less work" is one tattered with immoralism. We, the people, should be guaranteed the very basics of what we consider human rights, such as food, water, housing, and whatnot. Providing such things will only incentivize people to pursue their dreams and aspirations, for a system which they don't have to work dead-end jobs to have a basic life only crushing pushes for innovation and aspirations. Sure, it could perhaps… Read more
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People naturally want to work, as it's baked into our genetics. That, and every single study that has been done has shown that work attendance does not get altered before and after a Universal Basic Income. All it will do is make it viable to be unemployed or on low employment income without worrying about funds for food and shelter.
@9L22HCW2yrs2Y
It will be much harder for someone to drag themselves out of a bad situation and be able to get a job and focus on their work and be productive, when they are hungry, or sick, or cold, or sleep-deprived, for example, so Universal Basic Income can help provide the right conditions for people to do their best work. Even though Universal Basic Income can provide for people's basic needs, if they want anything on top of that, they would still need to get a job and work to make that money in order for them to be able to afford the things and the life they want, which is a powerful motivator.
@9K66N8HIndependent 2yrs2Y
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@9HQRK5Z3yrs3Y
Universal Basic Income serves as a ground floor for survival. The American ideal is to progress and thrive economically. With basic survival (food and housing) paid for, other income can be used to actually better your life and your community. More folks will be able to build generational wealth as well as to rise out of poverty.
@9HLWQ69Libertarian3yrs3Y
This will cripple the economy by making it nearly impossible for customer service based industries to stay in business, therefore also making it impossible for those services to be provided. With all their financial needs met, people will have no incentive or desire to work in these industries. The majority of people working in these industries do so in order to make a living, not out of love for the job, as these jobs are often extremely stressful and undesirable.
@9QZZK292yrs2Y
A UBI will allow people to find the best work for themselves, it gives time. With no savings most people searching for a job must take the first one available. Often not paying enough to save anything and getting stuck. It is a great alternative to raising the minimum wage, or making another ineficient welfare program. As for harming economic growth, depends on where the funding comes from. Company profits are likely to increase from more customers, stocks become more widely available.
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@9R3ZQR3 2yrs2Y
What is the ideal society? One where economic growth and shareholder value grows as much as possible? I'd suppose that the ideal society is one where people don't have to work just to survive, and choosing to work helps give you and your family a more comfortable life. As technology becomes more advanced, it should be used to make our lives free from work, not just further enhance profits.
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@9G3468YRepublican3yrs3Y
Shown in welfare or obama care where people rely on it for a living instead of using it as a bounce back. Funding for welfare and obama care comes from the high taxes that middle class people are paying. They pay these taxes to help welfare. but they receive nothing in return since they aren't the ones dependent on welfare.
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