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@B7LMR6F 9mos9MO
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The only cases where I could see the manufacturer or dealer being at fault is if it was an accidental shooting or malfunction that had nothing to do with operator error and came from a defect or from tampering. Other than that it would be completely unfair every way to have legal repercussions for an innocent party.
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@B7MWHZNPeace and Freedom9mos9MO
@B8JKL5S 7mos7MO
Many things can cause even more deaths, like cars. Cars are not inherently a bad thing though, it depends on who gets their hands on it.
@B8K57657mos7MO
Although it’s true that many objects—like cars—can cause deaths and are not “bad” on their own, there is an important difference: cars are designed for transportation, while firearms are specifically designed to cause harm, incapacitate, or kill.
Because of this, some argue that it makes sense to apply stricter civil liability standards to gun ownership and use than to other everyday objects.
In addition, cars require licensing, registration, training, insurance, and regular inspections, while comparable requirements do not always exist for firearms. This suggests that the comparison is not entirely fair and that a higher level of legal responsibility could be justified.
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@B8M7GZK 7mos7MO
Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem. A gun sitting on a table isn't going to do anything unless someone picks it up. Europe has banned guns and yet they have a knife epidemic because blades are still legal. The weapon isn't the problem, it isn't the fault of the seller for how the gun is used, the only person liable is the person who uses it.
@B8MG4J7 7mos7MO
Yes. Violent people are a problem. 100%. However, if a violent person with intent to kill has a gun vs a blade in front of them, which will they choose? The very purpose of a gun is to kill, whereas blades are a tool a multitude of other purposes. Yes, people will find a way to hurt themselves or others when a gun isn’t available, but guns sure are the better option, right?
The weapon is also the problem because it makes it way too easy for bad people to kill.
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@9FVGK4N 3yrs3Y
If doctors and pharmaceutical companies can be held liable for deaths as a result of malpractice or issues with drugs why can't firearms manufacturers and dealers be held liable for the guns they produce and sell?
@6WP5FSYRepublican 3yrs3Y
Because doctors are responsible for how their drugs are used, as the people using them, and pharmaceutical companies are responsible for how the drugs are made. They also share responsibility as long as the customer follows normal use.
A gun manufacturer has no relation to the criminal, nor is the gun being used in an intended manner. Therefore they have no responsibility.
@9FVJ3863yrs3Y
They should because they didn't do a good enough wellness check to see if the person they were giving a harmful device was mentally capable enough to wield such power.
@6WP5FSYRepublican 3yrs3Y
@9G2BGZ4 3yrs3Y
How would it make sense for the dealer to be in trouble when he's just doing his job, if he sold it to them illegally, then i can see why he would be held liable
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@B8XGKQR 7mos7MO
the idea of a seller being accountable with selling the gun its like the seller is just supposed to be able to read the persons mind but they cant and they have no idea who or what that person is like so again they shouldn't be held accountable for someone elses actions unless they sold the fire arm illegally
@B8XXDSN7mos7MO
i think that there should be stricter regulations on selling firearms, especially if it's to people who are still considered teenagers. their frontal lobes haven't fully developed yet, so they can't make completely rational decisions. it's should be common sense not to sell a gun to someone that is a) too young, b) don't know what they're doing, c) don't have the right experience or have poor incentives (which yes, how is the gun seller supposed to know, but still)
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In my experience, gun shop owners are very serious about trying to ensure that gun purchasers are stable individuals who plan to be responsible gun users, and happy to support gun safety training. I have no experience with gun shows or individuals selling guns to individuals, but the loopholes that apply to sales at gun shows should be closed.
@B8XZ8R9 7mos7MO
@9FZDKXN3yrs3Y
I say they should add more restrictions to people that want to own a gun. And to the the people that sell guns illegal they should be sent to jail.
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@9GKGKQ2 3yrs3Y
I do not have statistics memorized off-hand, so all I will say is that if firearms manufacturers are to be held accountable for their client's actions with their products, that liability implies that there must be some way for said firearms manufacturers to reasonably prevent their clients from making poor decisions with their products. This, however, is not within their capability or their responsibility; they are MANUFACTURERS, their job is to make the products, distribute the products, and sell them.
@9GKQ8KB3yrs3Y
Correct, and it's not guns that kill, it's people. And people are hard to control regardless of their means to evil.
@9CJ6CB63yrs3Y
Yes, but get the guns out of the wrong people's hands, regulate the use of those guns, ban some of them, and keeping tight security on their distribution will most definitely make that easier to prevent. We're the actual producers of these guns, so a universal common-sense amendment to have laws in place against it WILL help the issue.
@9GKQ3VK3yrs3Y
The Manufacturers are not responsible for any threat or action made by the clients. It is impossible to say they have something to do with violence committed by the clients. Once the gun is registered to its owner, it is the owner's responsibility to keep it in safe hands and use it effectively for self-defense. They have no access to the minds of the clients, nor do they have control of whoever the firearms are being sold to. I will say however that guns should not be produced in the first place, but in the world we live in, we need guns to protect ourselves.
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@9GYWVLR 3yrs3Y
perhaps distributers could be held accountable if they willingly arm criminal or otherwise malevolent agents, but certainly not manufacturers, unless the firearm is in someway faulty then the manufacturer has done a good job.
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@9GW9M5B3yrs3Y
a gun cannot shoot people without a person to pull the trigger. guns dont kill people, people kill people.
@VulcanMan6 3yrs3Y
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@9F8KRQJConstitution3yrs3Y
No. You need to provide evidence for why we should do this. You can't come up with a crazy idea and then declare that if nobody is willing to go out of their way to prove you wrong, then you're automatically right.
Right or wrong the current state of affairs is the status quo and any proposal, especially for sweeping changes, better be extremely well research (and well presented)
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@9H4C5MW3yrs3Y
The manufacturers best intentions is to provide weapons to those who need it for recreational use and most importantly, self defense by giving said weapons to legal dealers for sale for said purpose. Illegal vendors will not want to get involved in legal battles therefore they will hide from legal authority.
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@9GDZPMB3yrs3Y
How many guns do you see on a daily? I rarely see any ever, it's called concelled carry. You don't see someone shooting someone else for no reason, now muggings and robberys are examples on why we shouldn't have guns but at the same what are you going to do when 2 men break into your house and have your kids held at gun point and you couldn't do anything. Guns are going to be accesable to criminals no matter what, their mind movement does not change, we might as well keep it safe by letting an average American with a family that they care about get a gun for protection.
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@9F8S92C3yrs3Y
For example a pharmacy production company makes medication to be sold to a sick individual but if a med is stolen or obtained in a manner not intended by the company and used for suicidal actions or as a way of druging a individual for criminal means it is not the manufacturers fault. If a utility company makes kitchen ware to be sold at stores it’s not their responsibility if a criminal individual uses said kitchen device as a home made explosive to in-act a terorest act on innocent citizens. Company’s make all kinds of consumer products and it is not at their fault if said product is used in a manner that was not intended for it.
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@AlexB20273yrs3Y
When someone is a victim to gun violence they should be able to sue the firearm dealer if the person who is handling the gun is not allowed to. Guns are a seriously dangerous thing if you dont know how to use them and when it is put into the wrong peoples hands because of the mistake of other it can put peoples life at stake.
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@9H4K39T3yrs3Y
This insinuates that if you sell a used car if the person you sold the car to kills people in an accident, you are liable for those deaths. Also, the manufacturer of the vehicle is liable. A product seller or manufacturer should not be held liable for what the customer does with their product when it has legal uses.
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@B8R4KCSPeace and Freedom7mos7MO
@B7JP89KRepublican 9mos9MO
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@9GGRWP63yrs3Y
If a product can be used for illegal activity, then the seller of the product should take more care and consideration of who they sell it to. When a seller makes the choice to sell a product that can be used for illegal activity, they are making a conscious decision to sell an item that they know the buyer might use illegal activity. It is on the seller for making that choice to put that product out in the world.
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@9FZFGC23yrs3Y
If we prohibit victims of gun violence from suing firearms dealers and manufacturers, then that means we’re providing a special immunity to firearms dealers and manufacturers that we do not provide to dealers and manufacturers of other items. Why should gun manufacturers and distributors or dealers receive this special immunity? Medications and medical equipment like pacemakers save lives — as in, that’s literally their purpose for existing — and yet we do not grant THEIR dealers and manufacturers immunity from suits. Again: why should firearm manufacturers and dealers… Read more
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Because people doesn't know how to control themselves and they shooting innocent people because they're doing their job. For example, a person was doing their job in a game place but he didn't let a person go in because he was wearing a mask in his face and the employee couldn't recognize the person and he ask nicely to remove the mask and the guy got mad and shot him. We should not have a law letting 18 years old people buy guns.
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Pretend you buy a kitchen knife and all over the packaging it says "SHARP EDGE" and "HANDLE WITH CARE". Now pretend you are using it to cut and you accidentally cut your finger. Are you going to sue the knife company because you cut your finger? Even if you tried it wouldnt work because its not the companies fault. Its the same things with guns just more warnings on the box.
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@9HGK67D3yrs3Y
A gun is a tool and it is the person behind that tool that turns its point into a weapon so to sue someone like Smith and Wesson for manufacturing a tool for hunting or self-defense would be idiotic. For instance, it would be stupid to sue Walmart for selling a hoe to someone who would use that for a crime.
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