Limiting gay marriage is unconstitutional according to the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: "nor shall any State ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Forcing States to Legalize same sex marriage is unconstitutional
@9TM9M9G12mos12MO
It’s not unconstitutional. We promise freedom for all. Refusing to do so for LGBTQIA individuals is going against the very ideals our founding fathers fought for.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican7mos7MO
LGBTQ+ should not be tolerated, it is a severe mental disease that can destroy humanity if left unchecked. How will humanity live if everyone decided to only have sex with the same gender or go through a sex change operation?
@WildManBagginzIndependent 6mos6MO
Ah yes, the great existential threat of our time. Not war, not poverty, not climate change, but two consenting adults minding their own business. Truly, history will remember you as the brave scholar who exposed this overlooked crisis.
And let’s talk about this "if everyone decided to be gay" scenario you’ve cooked up. My guy, that’s like saying, “What if everyone decided to only eat ice cream and never touch vegetables? Humanity would perish!” Yeah, but… they won’t. Because that’s not how human nature works. Same-sex relationships hav… Read more
@Ign3usR3xSocialist7mos7MO
You're question just shows how intolerant and ignorant you are of the topic. You're saying if gays are left unchecked then everyone will be gay?! How on Earth did you come to that braindead conclusion?
@B5TGBQP3mos3MO
That's a strong view. Let me play devil's advocate here. Homosexuality and gender identity are not mental illnesses - the medical and psychological consensus is that they are natural variations of human sexuality and identity. Many LGBTQ+ individuals live happy, healthy, and productive lives. Prohibiting same-sex relationships or gender transitions would deprive people of fundamental rights and freedoms. Humanity has existed throughout history with LGBTQ+ people, and populations have continued to grow and thrive. What evidence do you have that LGBTQ+ acceptance is a threat to humanity's survival?
@AOCforprez28Progressive6mos6MO
This is the exactly stated in the preamble of the decleration of independence where it states all people are entitled to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
@HelcovichEmireRepublican5mos5MO
The Sanctity of Marriage, defining it as only between a man and a woman, is part of my pursuit of happiness. Gay couples can f-uck each other all they want in their homes, just don't mess with something as sacred as marriage
@B4HPYNB5mos5MO
You can do what you want in the privacy of your own home but the defeniton of marrige is a union between a man and a woman so therefore gay marrige doesnt exist and is a fake thing entirely and gay people shouldnt benfit off something that doesnt exist
@9ZPVCPVRepublican10mos10MO
really how about freedom of religion huh founders never supported homosexuals but I believe were all human begins I believe gays lesbians should be educated on what sexual morals are Jesus said a relationship is between 1 man and 1 woman morals we need in society being a homosexual is sad and shameful a life between the opposite gender is a life with morals and kids and happiness I also believe gays and lesbians and trans shouldn't have children or adopt need morals to or be straight or single
@Renaldo-MoonGreen10mos10MO
It literally doesn't affect you. Stop using religion to hurt the life of others.
@WildManBagginzIndependent 6mos6MO
Oh wow, we’ve got ourselves a constitutional scholar and a moral philosopher all in one! Truly, what an honor to witness such an eloquent and well-reasoned argument, delivered with all the grace of a drunk guy yelling outside a gas station at 3 AM.
Let’s unpack this masterpiece of logic:
“Freedom of religion, huh?”
Yes, let’s talk about that! See, actual freedom of religion means everyone gets to live according to their own beliefs, not just yours. The Founders didn’t establish a Bible fan club, they created a secular government where religious freedom applies… Read more
@B636G7G 2mos2MO
I wouldnt have a problem with the LGBTQ if they would not march and force their illness on others trying to rub it in our faces, and getting schools to enforce teaching this illness to young kids, thats a brainwashing tactic, its not enough for these people to get married now they march being vulgar and discusting in public and think its funny, then go protest with terrorist simpathizers chanting down with america, they would be stoned by these same people if not in America, these marriages should be resended and all these ill people should be locked up, just like rapists when wires are crossed so bad it cant be fixed you get rid of it. How do you like my grammar...
@B3YYKT66mos6MO
“Jesus said”
To bring Jesus into politics (something our founding fathers didn't want) is hypocrisy. Muslims don't bring Allah into the conversation, so why is it okay when conservatives bring God into the argument? It's just not fair. To come to a fair solution we can't let belief crowd our better judgment.
@B636G7G 2mos2MO
It's Muslim money supporting atheist activists who have made Christmas now known as the holiday season, and they tried to remove in god we trust from our money. And they want under god removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Family, community, and religion are being lost at an alarming rate. Morals aren't taught, while LGBTQ marches are forcing their illness on the community and now mandating the teaching of LGBT history, this is what we get for giving them the right to marry and letting Muslim oil money fund all this destruction of our way of life. If Muslims don't like god bei… Read more
@AOCforprez28Progressive6mos6MO
Werent jesus teachings to love and understand all, and if jesus is the wonderful creator and never made any mistakes then why is LGBTQI+ an issue
@Debater-jr.Progressive11mos11MO
forcing states to protect human rights is unconstitutional?
@9TXX6GSProgressive12mos12MO
nobody is forcing you to partake in a same-sex marriage. legalizing it simply gives individuals the freedom to choose
@9ZPVCPVRepublican10mos10MO
jesus didn't die for this love is love no its not true read the Bible or walk away from God he just come back to you its against the creator and his world order yes I believe God supports freedom of other religions but does not support selfness for love but morals back then it was normal now we live in a clown world you why we didn't like homosexuality back then because most religions said it was evil back then Pornograpy lust Homosexality was all illegal and was a more perfect world back then and the people would know religion better and morals back then compared today yell at me but I forgive you like how Jesus forgave sinners I pray for you all God bless you all
@WildManBagginzIndependent 6mos6MO
Oh boy, this is a beautiful display of word salad. Equal parts religious guilt-tripping, historical revisionism, and barely coherent rambling. A true masterpiece of moral grandstanding, delivered with all the grace of Russian Bot trying to write a sermon.
Let’s break this down, shall we?
“Jesus didn’t die for this.”
Right, because when Jesus was up there on the cross, he was definitely thinking about 21st-century same-sex marriage laws. Not, you know, forgiving sinners, preaching love, and condemning hypocritical religious elites. Nope, he was just sitting there like, &ld… Read more
@B4ZGRG85mos5MO
We were made to love one another.
Jesus and God love us all, even if we ‘sin’ by loving the same gender. We were made this way, God must have wanted us to love one another. God will still love us, Jesus still died for us and they understand and encourage we love whoever we love.
@B3CS9YH7mos7MO
I believe is Jesus Christ. I’m queer. Jesus died for everybody. He loves everybody. He made me this way and he still loves me.
Galatians 2:20 - “I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave his life for me”
John 13:34-35: “A new commandment i give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have loved one to another.”
not only is denying same-sex marriage unconstitutional, Jesus literally told all his followers to love one another, no matter what.
@B3MMD7SRepublican6mos6MO
The Lord didn't make you that way. He gave every human free will to choose but doesn't support the sin. Yes he does love everybody. Jesus loves you.
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
this is about politics, not about what religion you believe in.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen10mos10MO
"The world was more perfect back them"
Yes this is why so many people were persecuted for no real reason and wars were started about petty differences in religion (30 years war). Yes that was so much better I agree.
@Apploligize9mos9MO
People never seem to have the full context for the history they like to quote or fantasize of.
@Aiden-ColonIndependent12mos12MO
I respectfully disagree with your statement. I know states should have their own power but it is a human right. Same sex marriage should be legalized everywhere as it is a basic human right of equality,
Why can't gays and lesbians accept civil unions as being good enough? Marriage is supposed to be a sacrament that is designated for the union of a man and a woman. Homosexuals do have the legal recognition of being united and do have legal protections with a civil union. So why can't they simply accept that?
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
Why can't you accept that nobody asked?
Why can't YOU accept that it doesn't affect you when two other people get married?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
As a straight man, I want to have more privilege than a gay man. I strongly believe that LGBTQ is inferior, and do not deserve the same rights as straight and cis people. If gay marriage were allowed, that would put gay people as equals to straight people, which is in no way true. Gay people are inferior, sickly beings.
@WildManBagginzIndependent6mos6MO
Your argument crumbles the second you realize marriage is not exclusively a religious institution. If it were, atheists, interfaith couples, and people getting married at the courthouse wouldn’t exist. Yet, shockingly, they do.
The government doesn’t hand out sacraments, it hands out marriage licenses. You don’t have to pray to the IRS before filing joint taxes, and last I checked, nobody is reciting the Book of Genesis before getting spousal health insurance. Marriage, as recognized by the state, is a legal contract, not a religious ritual. If your church doesn’t want… Read more
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
Then we need something different for people with sexual morality, I don't want to be compared to a sodomite through marriage. Calling their sodomy/buggery "marriage" is an insult to all the moral people who are married and don't commit sodomy. It is telling them "Hey, these sodomites, with their disgusting methods of sex, are just as good people as you are, and you must accept their perverted sexual behaviors as normal, not perverted".
@B4VT3PZ5mos5MO
Hmmm this sounds a lot like the "separate but equal". I mean, less extreme, but still lol. No hate, I'm sure you are a lovely person but I do need to tell you why this matters. Imagine you give one of your children a toy, the other child is going to want the same thing. I don't think equality is too much to ask for. Also sorry if this makes no sense I was typing it in my class so I was not able to look down or think about my comparison LOL.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
A more accurate comparison: Imagine you give the better-behaved of your 2 children a toy. The naughty child is also going to want to same toy. But they always back-talk you and refuse to clean up their mess. They have no self-discipline, they always need to be reminded of what is right and wrong. Should you still give them the same toy you gave your other child, even though their behavior is considerably worse?
@B6K9PKWProgressive4wks4W
If it's a Sacrament then where's the anger about non-Christian's using the word "Marriage?" What about the anger at non-religious people getting "Married?"
Marriage is a legal contract that everyone should have as a legal right. YOU can have it act as a sacrament in your religion in addition to it's legal standard, but that is YOUR CHOICE.
@9V2K3SW12mos12MO
Everyone should be able to give love and get love. Commitment can be very important it all depends on the people involved
@@1876-Elbert11mos11MO
Engaged Social Issues Engaged Gay Marriage
Yes. Sin has become a basic human right.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
The Bible says you should encourage people to correct their sins and not force them. So yes it always was.
@solo-von-kickpaw 9mos9MO
"@Renaldo-Moon from Pennsylvania disagreed…It literally doesn't affect you. Stop using religion to hurt the life of others." I thought you said not to use religion you hypocrite
@B6K9PKWProgressive4wks4W
Freedom of Religion.
Your belief of what is/isn't a sin has 0 weight to those who do not believe in your god or your faith structures. No one is forcing you into a same-sex marriage, so leave your beliefs out of other people's lives.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican2mos2MO
A sexual perversion is a more accurate term
I mean. Didn't Jesus die on the cross so we could make choices? According to the Bible "no choice to sin" was Satan's plan. I mean that is if you believe in Christianity and the Bible.
And not everyone agrees homosexuality is a sin. 🤷♀️
@B34KR9W7mos7MO
All the people in this thread who argue against legalization are citing religious tenants. That is exactly what the U.S. stands against. We do not abide by law of a singular religion. We should all be free to do as we wish when it comes to sexuality
@HelcovichEmireRepublican4mos4MO
Marriage was always a sacred ceremony to celebrate true love and the beauty of man and woman romance. It also helps couples create a stable family to raise kids in. Sexual love between same sex couples is disgusting and in no way something to celebrate, it is something to shame if anything. I don't care if 2 men screw each other, but I do care when they try to force their homosexuality into something as sacred as marriage.
@B6K9PKWProgressive4wks4W
Then where is your anger at non-religious people being married? Where is your frustration when straight pagans or muslims or atheists get married if it's meant to be a sacred/sacramental ceremony?
Freedom of Religion means that YOUR faith structure has no part in the laws of the nation. Your beliefs and faiths are respected, but YOU cannot impose them onto me.
@YearningBicameralLibertarian11mos11MO
The Equal Protection Clause argument is valid, but keep in mind that historically, the government has placed limits on certain types of marriages for public policy reasons—like age restrictions or prohibiting incestuous marriages. The state can sometimes argue that marriage laws serve a broader societal interest, like the protection of children or the institution of marriage itself. If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions? What would your response be if they claimed it was about preserving societal stability rather than individual rights?
@WildManBagginzIndependent 6mos6MO
“If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions?”
Yes, the government can regulate marriage when there’s a compelling reason tied to actual harm. Age restrictions exist to prevent child exploitation. Incest laws exist to prevent genetic disorders and coercion. These restrictions serve clear protective functions. Where I disagree with you is that using that precedent to justify banning same-sex marriage doesn’t hold up, because there’s no objective harm being prevented. Unlike child marriage or incest, two consenting adults of the same gender do not harm each other, their children, or society.
The "broader societal inter… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 10mos10MO
Here aconter claim on social stability in support of same sex marriage: The Stonewall Riots. The Stonewall riots were a series of riots where LGBTQ+ people fought for their rights in NYC. Now tell me which would you prefer not gay marriage and possible riots or no gay marriage and having some Christians being upset?
@9Y9MYBKRepublican10mos10MO
LGBT people have a mental disorder.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 10mos10MO
Science and medical professionals say otherwise
@WildManBagginzIndependent 6mos6MO
Narcissism is characterized by the belief that one's own perspective is the only valid one, and that the source of all of ones issues are other people. It's often accompanied by a lack of empathy and compassion, as well as the delusion that others must conform to their worldview, and if they don’t, something must be “wrong” with them. You are a Narcissist. Insisting that anyone who is LGBTQ+ has a mental illness says more about your own fragile ego and inability to handle different perspectives than it does about reality.
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
It appears so do you. Since when was a man loving a man wrong? Is it any of your business that two women are getting married?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
In that case, we should just kill the lgbtq+ if they riot. I believe rioters deserve the death penalty.
@B4YX6TT5mos5MO
january 6th Whitehouse attack was a riot
@B4VT3PZ5mos5MO
I don't think this guy is real. I truly believe this is not reflecting the republican party well. But, using your logic, would you say that the black community that was protesting for basic human rights should all be put under the death penalty?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
What would I prefer? Imprisonment of all LGBTQ people in mental hospitals
@B4VT3PZ5mos5MO
Ummm, guys? You're name is TheHillbillyLord this has got to be fake or rage bait. I laughed mid class, it was awkward.
@B2SN8Q47mos7MO
Yep, if you support the US Constitution of support the legalization of gay marriage
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