Limiting gay marriage is unconstitutional according to the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: "nor shall any State ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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@9TM9M9G2yrs2Y
It’s not unconstitutional. We promise freedom for all. Refusing to do so for LGBTQIA individuals is going against the very ideals our founding fathers fought for.
@B37JHLV1yr1Y
@B83H5YV8mos8MO
SHAME ON YOU!
YOUR A DISGRACE TO MY BELIEF OF WHO I AM
YOUR A HORRIBLE PERSON I'M ASHAMED TO CALL YOU A HUMAN BEING.
THAT'S WRONG FOR EVERYONE IN THE L.G.B.T.Q COMMUNITY EVEN WHEN I'M A TRANSGENDER WITH DEPRESSION.
IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE OTHERS SUICIDAL.
@BDDC6QF2mos2MO
Ok, please calm down, you may be angry, but that person is hateful, I'm a Christian, and what you are I'm against, but at the same time, I would be just as bad as your sin by hating you, I don't hate you, I'm fine with you, you have nothing to prove to anyone, so do not be angry with someone who called you a gay weirdo. I'm straight and I don't hate you, a Christian shows love no matter who they are, and I will always love everyone, including you, no matter who you are, I may not agree with you, but hey, everyone disagrees with everyone, that doesn't mean we need to hate each other.
@B3BTBR41yr1Y
This is the exactly stated in the preamble of the decleration of independence where it states all people are entitled to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
@B4HPYNB1yr1Y
@ChristianGuidedConstitution 2mos2MO
Just so you are aware, the pursuit of happiness part was referring to taxes and government control. For example, the government would stop letting you pursue happiness when they raise the income tax really high. Or maybe when they seize your property with no explanation.
Also, The Declaration of Independence isn't law, so stop using it as such. All it was doing was separating from the British and explaining why they are.
@B8PC6ZTRepublican 2mos2MO
Informed Gay Marriage #3 Expert Social Issues
If two gay people want to be together, they can pursue happiness without marriage. The entire point of marriage is to serve as a stable family structure consisting of a man, a woman, and their children, and that tenet of marriage is violated by gay marriage. Nobody is saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to be together if they desire, we're just saying that gay marriage isn't true marriage.
@9ZPVCPVRepublican2yrs2Y
really how about freedom of religion huh founders never supported homosexuals but I believe were all human begins I believe gays lesbians should be educated on what sexual morals are Jesus said a relationship is between 1 man and 1 woman morals we need in society being a homosexual is sad and shameful a life between the opposite gender is a life with morals and kids and happiness I also believe gays and lesbians and trans shouldn't have children or adopt need morals to or be straight or single
Oh wow, we’ve got ourselves a constitutional scholar and a moral philosopher all in one! Truly, what an honor to witness such an eloquent and well-reasoned argument, delivered with all the grace of a drunk guy yelling outside a gas station at 3 AM.
Let’s unpack this masterpiece of logic:
“Freedom of religion, huh?”
Yes, let’s talk about that! See, actual freedom of religion means everyone gets to live according to their own beliefs, not just yours. The Founders didn’t establish a Bible fan club, they created a secular government where religious freedom applies… Read more
@B636G7G 12mos12MO
I wouldnt have a problem with the LGBTQ if they would not march and force their illness on others trying to rub it in our faces, and getting schools to enforce teaching this illness to young kids, thats a brainwashing tactic, its not enough for these people to get married now they march being vulgar and discusting in public and think its funny, then go protest with terrorist simpathizers chanting down with america, they would be stoned by these same people if not in America, these marriages should be resended and all these ill people should be locked up, just like rapists when wires are crossed so bad it cant be fixed you get rid of it. How do you like my grammar...
@B3YYKT61yr1Y
“Jesus said”
To bring Jesus into politics (something our founding fathers didn't want) is hypocrisy. Muslims don't bring Allah into the conversation, so why is it okay when conservatives bring God into the argument? It's just not fair. To come to a fair solution we can't let belief crowd our better judgment.
@ChristianGuidedConstitution3mos3MO
@B636G7G 12mos12MO
It's Muslim money supporting atheist activists who have made Christmas now known as the holiday season, and they tried to remove in god we trust from our money. And they want under god removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Family, community, and religion are being lost at an alarming rate. Morals aren't taught, while LGBTQ marches are forcing their illness on the community and now mandating the teaching of LGBT history, this is what we get for giving them the right to marry and letting Muslim oil money fund all this destruction of our way of life. If Muslims don't like god bei… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen2yrs2Y
Werent jesus teachings to love and understand all, and if jesus is the wonderful creator and never made any mistakes then why is LGBTQI+ an issue
@ChristianGuidedConstitution3mos3MO
@Debater-jr.Progressive2yrs2Y
@RIPCharlieRepublican7mos7MO
@BF6LT534hrs4H
"(broadly) any of the diverse forms of interpersonal union established in
various parts of the world to form a familial bond that is recognized
legally, religiously, or socially, granting the participating partners
mutual conjugal rights and responsibilities." (dictionary.com) Nothing about the two partners sexes, at all.
@B8W6WHMRepublican7mos7MO
@B9N4Q4R5mos5MO
@9TXX6GSProgressive2yrs2Y
nobody is forcing you to partake in a same-sex marriage. legalizing it simply gives individuals the freedom to choose
@9ZPVCPVRepublican2yrs2Y
jesus didn't die for this love is love no its not true read the Bible or walk away from God he just come back to you its against the creator and his world order yes I believe God supports freedom of other religions but does not support selfness for love but morals back then it was normal now we live in a clown world you why we didn't like homosexuality back then because most religions said it was evil back then Pornograpy lust Homosexality was all illegal and was a more perfect world back then and the people would know religion better and morals back then compared today yell at me but I forgive you like how Jesus forgave sinners I pray for you all God bless you all
Oh boy, this is a beautiful display of word salad. Equal parts religious guilt-tripping, historical revisionism, and barely coherent rambling. A true masterpiece of moral grandstanding, delivered with all the grace of Russian Bot trying to write a sermon.
Let’s break this down, shall we?
“Jesus didn’t die for this.”
Right, because when Jesus was up there on the cross, he was definitely thinking about 21st-century same-sex marriage laws. Not, you know, forgiving sinners, preaching love, and condemning hypocritical religious elites. Nope, he was just sitting there like, &ld… Read more
@B4ZGRG81yr1Y
@B3CS9YH1yr1Y
I believe is Jesus Christ. I’m queer. Jesus died for everybody. He loves everybody. He made me this way and he still loves me.
Galatians 2:20 - “I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave his life for me”
John 13:34-35: “A new commandment i give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have loved one to another.”
not only is denying same-sex marriage unconstitutional, Jesus literally told all his followers to love one another, no matter what.
@B3MMD7SRepublican1yr1Y
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@Ign3usR3xSocialist1yr1Y
@Aiden-ColonIndependent2yrs2Y
I respectfully disagree with your statement. I know states should have their own power but it is a human right. Same sex marriage should be legalized everywhere as it is a basic human right of equality,
Why can't gays and lesbians accept civil unions as being good enough? Marriage is supposed to be a sacrament that is designated for the union of a man and a woman. Homosexuals do have the legal recognition of being united and do have legal protections with a civil union. So why can't they simply accept that?
@B3C3HQL1yr1Y
Your argument crumbles the second you realize marriage is not exclusively a religious institution. If it were, atheists, interfaith couples, and people getting married at the courthouse wouldn’t exist. Yet, shockingly, they do.
The government doesn’t hand out sacraments, it hands out marriage licenses. You don’t have to pray to the IRS before filing joint taxes, and last I checked, nobody is reciting the Book of Genesis before getting spousal health insurance. Marriage, as recognized by the state, is a legal contract, not a religious ritual. If your church doesn’t want… Read more
@B4VT3PZ1yr1Y
Hmmm this sounds a lot like the "separate but equal". I mean, less extreme, but still lol. No hate, I'm sure you are a lovely person but I do need to tell you why this matters. Imagine you give one of your children a toy, the other child is going to want the same thing. I don't think equality is too much to ask for. Also sorry if this makes no sense I was typing it in my class so I was not able to look down or think about my comparison LOL.
@BBGBQ494mos4MO
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@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2yrs2Y
The Bible says you should encourage people to correct their sins and not force them. So yes it always was.
@solo-von-kickpaw 2yrs2Y
I mean. Didn't Jesus die on the cross so we could make choices? According to the Bible "no choice to sin" was Satan's plan. I mean that is if you believe in Christianity and the Bible.
And not everyone agrees homosexuality is a sin. 🤷♀️
@ChristianGuidedConstitution3mos3MO
#2 Engaged Christianity #1 Engaged The Bible
“Didn't Jesus die on the cross so we could make choices”
He dies on the cross to save us from our sins, not so we could "make choices".
@B6K9PKWProgressive10mos10MO
@sylas49 1yr1Y
Engaged Social Issues Engaged Gay Marriage
Whether or not homosexuality is a Biblical sin is not the question at hand here. If you cannot set aside your religious beliefs in favor of participatory policy crafting, your ideals will naturally disenfranchise someone. This has been a pitfall of the United States since its establishment, so please don't contribute to that flaw.
@9V2K3SW2yrs2Y
@B34KR9W1yr1Y
All the people in this thread who argue against legalization are citing religious tenants. That is exactly what the U.S. stands against. We do not abide by law of a singular religion. We should all be free to do as we wish when it comes to sexuality
@RIPCharlieRepublican7mos7MO
“All the people in this thread who argue against legalization are citing religious tenants.”
Here's a more secular argument: marriage exists to promote a stable society. Married couples raise children, those who will enter society. Having children is, in principle impossible for a gay couple, and children not raised by a married mother and father do worse. Because a gay union cannot contribute to society in this way, it should not be considered a marriage. Marriage is a word that means something, and redefining it to "whatever people feel like" cheapens its value.
"marriage exists to promote a stable society."
- Explain to me how getting rid of gay marriage leads to this "stable society" of yours instead of things like the stonewall riots.
"children not raised by a married mother and father do worse."
2. Give me any source that proves being raised by two men or two women results in circumstances such as being raised by two separated parents. Of course divorce leads to worse off children, I don't need that source, but gay couples do not have to have things like custody fights.
"redefining it to 'whatever people feel like' cheapens its value."
3. Explain to me how a lifelong romantical union cheapens the value of marriage.
@B8PC6ZTRepublican 3mos3MO
Informed Gay Marriage #3 Expert Social Issues
- Homosexuality is a psychological disorder, and giving mentally unstable people the same personal freedoms as everyone else obviously leads to instability.
- The comment you replied to never stated anything about gay couples being more likely to divorce.
- Marriage with a foundation of psychological disorder is only an illusion of that mental condition. The value of marriage is cheapened when it is taken out of its purpose to create a stable societal unit of family and reinterpreted as "lifelong romantical union," which blurs the line between marriage and general romantic love.
@BCTH7QD2mos2MO
Remember, the dunning kruger effect hits hardest on people like you, who believe because they have an online badge they know more than actual medical experts:
Here is a list of groups you believe you know more than--a list of groups that say homosexuality is not a disorder:
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
World Health Organization
American Medical Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Association of Social Workers
Royal College of Psychiatrists
American Counseling Association
Pan American Health Organization
United Nations
@wells_vw2mos2MO
- When in the modern day has homosexuality been considered a disorder in any way?
- Gay couples are more likely to divorce based on what evidence?
- This is assuming that there are instances where couples where one or both have a mental illness is invalid which is unnecessarily ignoring human emotions, which is one of, if not the, most important part of a marriage. And how would you define the line between marriage and "general romantic love"? Since you claim that calling same-sex marriage "blurring the lines" between the two, you would have a clear definition of the line?
@ChristianGuidedConstitution 2mos2MO
@wells_vw2mos2MO
This both ignores surrogates, adoption, fostering and other forms of having a child and also creates a toxic mindset that the nuclear home is the only healthy way to raise a child. There have already been countless instances where non-straight couples have children through alternative means and raise them with proper values.
@ChristianGuidedConstitution3mos3MO
“We should all be free to do as we wish when it comes to sexuality”
Don't mean to be inappropriate but is that also saying that I could just walk up to somebody and have sex with them? Especially if my religion tells me to. And to go deeper into that topic, what if my religion tells me I have to murder a person every day? Because if you stop me, you're stopping me from practicing my religion.
@FriendlessFireSocialist 2mos2MO
@ChristianGuidedConstitution 1mo1MO
I would say gay marriage is unconstitutional, however. The Constitution was based off of the Federalist Papers. What they meant when they talked about freedom of religion was the state would not dictate or make a state religion. This also means the state cannot do anything religious wise. Obama when legalizing gay marriage violated that. Him making gay marriage legal violated that because he just interfered with religion.
The Equal Protection Clause argument is valid, but keep in mind that historically, the government has placed limits on certain types of marriages for public policy reasons—like age restrictions or prohibiting incestuous marriages. The state can sometimes argue that marriage laws serve a broader societal interest, like the protection of children or the institution of marriage itself. If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions? What would your response be if they claimed it was about preserving societal stability rather than individual rights?
“If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions?”
Yes, the government can regulate marriage when there’s a compelling reason tied to actual harm. Age restrictions exist to prevent child exploitation. Incest laws exist to prevent genetic disorders and coercion. These restrictions serve clear protective functions. Where I disagree with you is that using that precedent to justify banning same-sex marriage doesn’t hold up, because there’s no objective harm being prevented. Unlike child marriage or incest, two consenting adults of the same gender do not harm each other, their children, or society.
The "broader societal inter… Read more
@B9SFCWX 5mos5MO
Incredibly well written. I want to recognize your articulate and substantive response. This is what we need to strengthen the conversation.
It seems the common thread in opposition is of the religious basis. Finding resolution with someone arguing from the standpoint of faith seems fruitless.
How do we help people understand why religion is not, and should not be, the framework for rights.
@RIPCharlieRepublican7mos7MO
“-Procreation? Marriage has never required children, and plenty of heterosexual couples can’t or don’t have kids.”
Procreation is, in principle, impossible with a gay couple, and only by chance does not happen in those heterosexual couples. A human is, in principle someone with two legs. A human may be born without them, by chance, but he is still human. An ape, however, is not a human. It is, in principle, not a human, and does not have rights as such.
@BBGBQ494mos4MO
Procreation is also, however, not the goal of marriage. Furthermore, it's not your problem what other people do. All campaigning against gay marriage achieves is that now Senators gotta find their 89 gay hookups in a Tenessee airport bathroom instead of being nofmal about it
@B8PC6ZTRepublican 3mos3MO
Informed Gay Marriage #3 Expert Social Issues
The goal of marriage is to create a stable societal family unit, and that purpose does not exist when the married couples does not attempt to have children.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2yrs2Y
Here aconter claim on social stability in support of same sex marriage: The Stonewall Riots. The Stonewall riots were a series of riots where LGBTQ+ people fought for their rights in NYC. Now tell me which would you prefer not gay marriage and possible riots or no gay marriage and having some Christians being upset?
@9Y9MYBKRepublican2yrs2Y
Narcissism is characterized by the belief that one's own perspective is the only valid one, and that the source of all of ones issues are other people. It's often accompanied by a lack of empathy and compassion, as well as the delusion that others must conform to their worldview, and if they don’t, something must be “wrong” with them. You are a Narcissist. Insisting that anyone who is LGBTQ+ has a mental illness says more about your own fragile ego and inability to handle different perspectives than it does about reality.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 2yrs2Y
@B3C3HQL1yr1Y
It appears so do you. Since when was a man loving a man wrong? Is it any of your business that two women are getting married?
@BDZGBKF2wks2W
@BBMQXBW4mos4MO
“Now tell me which would you prefer not gay marriage and possible riots or no gay marriage and having some Christians being upset?”
First of all your stupid. You put no gay marriage twice. Your argument is invalid. Please don't argue with Christians just because you are unintelligent. I'm assuming that you are not Christian, which you should be. This is because it is the only way to get to heaven. However, I have talked to many Christians who argue this same point of stupidity. They are invalid and so are you. The bible states that God created man and woman. Not just men and men or woman and woman.
@BCK6CZ53mos3MO
“The bible states that God created man and woman. Not just men and men or woman and woman.”
Well, it's a good thing that the Bible isn't our framework for laws and human rights then, huh?
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@RIPCharlieRepublican7mos7MO
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