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@9GMY3DQ 2yrs2Y
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Limiting gay marriage is unconstitutional according to the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: "nor shall any State ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Forcing States to Legalize same sex marriage is unconstitutional
@9TM9M9G1yr1Y
It’s not unconstitutional. We promise freedom for all. Refusing to do so for LGBTQIA individuals is going against the very ideals our founding fathers fought for.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican8mos8MO
LGBTQ+ should not be tolerated, it is a severe mental disease that can destroy humanity if left unchecked. How will humanity live if everyone decided to only have sex with the same gender or go through a sex change operation?
@WildManBagginzIndependent 7mos7MO
Ah yes, the great existential threat of our time. Not war, not poverty, not climate change, but two consenting adults minding their own business. Truly, history will remember you as the brave scholar who exposed this overlooked crisis.
And let’s talk about this "if everyone decided to be gay" scenario you’ve cooked up. My guy, that’s like saying, “What if everyone decided to only eat ice cream and never touch vegetables? Humanity would perish!” Yeah, but… they won’t. Because that’s not how human nature works. Same-sex relationships hav… Read more
@Ign3usR3xSocialist7mos7MO
You're question just shows how intolerant and ignorant you are of the topic. You're saying if gays are left unchecked then everyone will be gay?! How on Earth did you come to that braindead conclusion?
Same-sex relationships have always been a thing, in almost every species on earth throughout history. For example in ancient Egypt is was normal, in Greece, it was encouraged. Penguins commonly bond for life with a fellow male or female. So you're idea that we'll run ourselves into extinction is incorrect.
@B5TGBQP4mos4MO
That's a strong view. Let me play devil's advocate here. Homosexuality and gender identity are not mental illnesses - the medical and psychological consensus is that they are natural variations of human sexuality and identity. Many LGBTQ+ individuals live happy, healthy, and productive lives. Prohibiting same-sex relationships or gender transitions would deprive people of fundamental rights and freedoms. Humanity has existed throughout history with LGBTQ+ people, and populations have continued to grow and thrive. What evidence do you have that LGBTQ+ acceptance is a threat to humanity's survival?
@AOCforprez28Progressive7mos7MO
This is the exactly stated in the preamble of the decleration of independence where it states all people are entitled to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
@HelcovichEmireRepublican6mos6MO
The Sanctity of Marriage, defining it as only between a man and a woman, is part of my pursuit of happiness. Gay couples can f-uck each other all they want in their homes, just don't mess with something as sacred as marriage
@B4HPYNB6mos6MO
You can do what you want in the privacy of your own home but the defeniton of marrige is a union between a man and a woman so therefore gay marrige doesnt exist and is a fake thing entirely and gay people shouldnt benfit off something that doesnt exist
@9ZPVCPVRepublican11mos11MO
really how about freedom of religion huh founders never supported homosexuals but I believe were all human begins I believe gays lesbians should be educated on what sexual morals are Jesus said a relationship is between 1 man and 1 woman morals we need in society being a homosexual is sad and shameful a life between the opposite gender is a life with morals and kids and happiness I also believe gays and lesbians and trans shouldn't have children or adopt need morals to or be straight or single
@Renaldo-MoonGreen11mos11MO
It literally doesn't affect you. Stop using religion to hurt the life of others.
@WildManBagginzIndependent 7mos7MO
Oh wow, we’ve got ourselves a constitutional scholar and a moral philosopher all in one! Truly, what an honor to witness such an eloquent and well-reasoned argument, delivered with all the grace of a drunk guy yelling outside a gas station at 3 AM.
Let’s unpack this masterpiece of logic:
“Freedom of religion, huh?”
Yes, let’s talk about that! See, actual freedom of religion means everyone gets to live according to their own beliefs, not just yours. The Founders didn’t establish a Bible fan club, they created a secular government where religious freedom applies… Read more
@B3YYKT67mos7MO
“Jesus said”
To bring Jesus into politics (something our founding fathers didn't want) is hypocrisy. Muslims don't bring Allah into the conversation, so why is it okay when conservatives bring God into the argument? It's just not fair. To come to a fair solution we can't let belief crowd our better judgment.
@AOCforprez28Progressive7mos7MO
Werent jesus teachings to love and understand all, and if jesus is the wonderful creator and never made any mistakes then why is LGBTQI+ an issue
forcing states to protect human rights is unconstitutional?
@9TXX6GSProgressive1yr1Y
nobody is forcing you to partake in a same-sex marriage. legalizing it simply gives individuals the freedom to choose
@9ZPVCPVRepublican11mos11MO
jesus didn't die for this love is love no its not true read the Bible or walk away from God he just come back to you its against the creator and his world order yes I believe God supports freedom of other religions but does not support selfness for love but morals back then it was normal now we live in a clown world you why we didn't like homosexuality back then because most religions said it was evil back then Pornograpy lust Homosexality was all illegal and was a more perfect world back then and the people would know religion better and morals back then compared today yell at me but I forgive you like how Jesus forgave sinners I pray for you all God bless you all
@WildManBagginzIndependent 7mos7MO
Oh boy, this is a beautiful display of word salad. Equal parts religious guilt-tripping, historical revisionism, and barely coherent rambling. A true masterpiece of moral grandstanding, delivered with all the grace of Russian Bot trying to write a sermon.
Let’s break this down, shall we?
“Jesus didn’t die for this.”
Right, because when Jesus was up there on the cross, he was definitely thinking about 21st-century same-sex marriage laws. Not, you know, forgiving sinners, preaching love, and condemning hypocritical religious elites. Nope, he was just sitting there like, &ld… Read more
@B3CS9YH7mos7MO
I believe is Jesus Christ. I’m queer. Jesus died for everybody. He loves everybody. He made me this way and he still loves me.
Galatians 2:20 - “I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave his life for me”
John 13:34-35: “A new commandment i give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have loved one to another.”
not only is denying same-sex marriage unconstitutional, Jesus literally told all his followers to love one another, no matter what.
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
this is about politics, not about what religion you believe in.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen11mos11MO
"The world was more perfect back them"
Yes this is why so many people were persecuted for no real reason and wars were started about petty differences in religion (30 years war). Yes that was so much better I agree.
I respectfully disagree with your statement. I know states should have their own power but it is a human right. Same sex marriage should be legalized everywhere as it is a basic human right of equality,
Why can't gays and lesbians accept civil unions as being good enough? Marriage is supposed to be a sacrament that is designated for the union of a man and a woman. Homosexuals do have the legal recognition of being united and do have legal protections with a civil union. So why can't they simply accept that?
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
Why can't you accept that nobody asked?
Why can't YOU accept that it doesn't affect you when two other people get married?
@WildManBagginzIndependent7mos7MO
Your argument crumbles the second you realize marriage is not exclusively a religious institution. If it were, atheists, interfaith couples, and people getting married at the courthouse wouldn’t exist. Yet, shockingly, they do.
The government doesn’t hand out sacraments, it hands out marriage licenses. You don’t have to pray to the IRS before filing joint taxes, and last I checked, nobody is reciting the Book of Genesis before getting spousal health insurance. Marriage, as recognized by the state, is a legal contract, not a religious ritual. If your church doesn’t want… Read more
@B4VT3PZ6mos6MO
Hmmm this sounds a lot like the "separate but equal". I mean, less extreme, but still lol. No hate, I'm sure you are a lovely person but I do need to tell you why this matters. Imagine you give one of your children a toy, the other child is going to want the same thing. I don't think equality is too much to ask for. Also sorry if this makes no sense I was typing it in my class so I was not able to look down or think about my comparison LOL.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
If it's a Sacrament then where's the anger about non-Christian's using the word "Marriage?" What about the anger at non-religious people getting "Married?"
Marriage is a legal contract that everyone should have as a legal right. YOU can have it act as a sacrament in your religion in addition to it's legal standard, but that is YOUR CHOICE.
@9V2K3SW1yr1Y
Everyone should be able to give love and get love. Commitment can be very important it all depends on the people involved
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Yes. Sin has become a basic human right.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
The Bible says you should encourage people to correct their sins and not force them. So yes it always was.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Freedom of Religion.
Your belief of what is/isn't a sin has 0 weight to those who do not believe in your god or your faith structures. No one is forcing you into a same-sex marriage, so leave your beliefs out of other people's lives.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican3mos3MO
A sexual perversion is a more accurate term
I mean. Didn't Jesus die on the cross so we could make choices? According to the Bible "no choice to sin" was Satan's plan. I mean that is if you believe in Christianity and the Bible.
And not everyone agrees homosexuality is a sin. 🤷♀️
@B34KR9W8mos8MO
All the people in this thread who argue against legalization are citing religious tenants. That is exactly what the U.S. stands against. We do not abide by law of a singular religion. We should all be free to do as we wish when it comes to sexuality
@HelcovichEmireRepublican5mos5MO
Marriage was always a sacred ceremony to celebrate true love and the beauty of man and woman romance. It also helps couples create a stable family to raise kids in. Sexual love between same sex couples is disgusting and in no way something to celebrate, it is something to shame if anything. I don't care if 2 men screw each other, but I do care when they try to force their homosexuality into something as sacred as marriage.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Then where is your anger at non-religious people being married? Where is your frustration when straight pagans or muslims or atheists get married if it's meant to be a sacred/sacramental ceremony?
Freedom of Religion means that YOUR faith structure has no part in the laws of the nation. Your beliefs and faiths are respected, but YOU cannot impose them onto me.
The Equal Protection Clause argument is valid, but keep in mind that historically, the government has placed limits on certain types of marriages for public policy reasons—like age restrictions or prohibiting incestuous marriages. The state can sometimes argue that marriage laws serve a broader societal interest, like the protection of children or the institution of marriage itself. If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions? What would your response be if they claimed it was about preserving societal stability rather than individual rights?
@WildManBagginzIndependent 7mos7MO
“If the state makes the case that traditional marriage serves a compelling interest, wouldn’t that open the door to justify some restrictions?”
Yes, the government can regulate marriage when there’s a compelling reason tied to actual harm. Age restrictions exist to prevent child exploitation. Incest laws exist to prevent genetic disorders and coercion. These restrictions serve clear protective functions. Where I disagree with you is that using that precedent to justify banning same-sex marriage doesn’t hold up, because there’s no objective harm being prevented. Unlike child marriage or incest, two consenting adults of the same gender do not harm each other, their children, or society.
The "broader societal inter… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
Here aconter claim on social stability in support of same sex marriage: The Stonewall Riots. The Stonewall riots were a series of riots where LGBTQ+ people fought for their rights in NYC. Now tell me which would you prefer not gay marriage and possible riots or no gay marriage and having some Christians being upset?
@9Y9MYBKRepublican11mos11MO
LGBT people have a mental disorder.
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 11mos11MO
Science and medical professionals say otherwise
@WildManBagginzIndependent 7mos7MO
Narcissism is characterized by the belief that one's own perspective is the only valid one, and that the source of all of ones issues are other people. It's often accompanied by a lack of empathy and compassion, as well as the delusion that others must conform to their worldview, and if they don’t, something must be “wrong” with them. You are a Narcissist. Insisting that anyone who is LGBTQ+ has a mental illness says more about your own fragile ego and inability to handle different perspectives than it does about reality.
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
It appears so do you. Since when was a man loving a man wrong? Is it any of your business that two women are getting married?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican7mos7MO
In that case, we should just kill the lgbtq+ if they riot. I believe rioters deserve the death penalty.
@B4YX6TT6mos6MO
january 6th Whitehouse attack was a riot
@B4VT3PZ6mos6MO
I don't think this guy is real. I truly believe this is not reflecting the republican party well. But, using your logic, would you say that the black community that was protesting for basic human rights should all be put under the death penalty?
@HelcovichEmireRepublican7mos7MO
What would I prefer? Imprisonment of all LGBTQ people in mental hospitals
@B4VT3PZ6mos6MO
Ummm, guys? You're name is TheHillbillyLord this has got to be fake or rage bait. I laughed mid class, it was awkward.
@B2SN8Q48mos8MO
Yep, if you support the US Constitution of support the legalization of gay marriage
@982KTCH3yrs3Y
Let people love people as long as they aren't hurting them! Gay rights are HUMAN RIGHTS!!!
@98J5RRMWomen’s Equality3yrs3Y
I AGREE! We are all humans, why does it matter who you choose to love?
Because God declared homosexuality an "abomination," and He created the moral law.
@9RF5TFD1yr1Y
God should not be brought into politics. Some people don’t share the same religious beliefs as you and that’s ok, let them be happy.
I'm right; they're wrong. They can cry about it if they want to.
@9T7WGYKRepublican1yr1Y
The founding documents of this country including the Declaration of Independence brought God into politics, have you ever read that document?
God is the one who created the people, including homosexuals. He's not the one who disagrees with their marriages, it's the "christians". I don't see the reason why they should'nt get the same legal benefits of marriage as heterosexuals, as the USA has religioua freedom and no church should dictate others their view of the world. Note that I said the church, not the religion, since, like I said, God created them how they are and no one should try to repair his creations.
@9VNDFCDPeace and Freedom 12mos12MO
I find this extremely offensive, me being Christian myself I do support them and I love the LGBTQIA community so much, I've had my fair share of girlfriends in my time, I'm currently dating this amazing girl, we have a lot of plans together, INCLUDING adoption if we get to that point. Thanks for assuming, jacka**. And just a reality check, God literally says in the bible that marriage should be between a man and a woman in the temple and no one can enter the celestial kingdom without it. My opinion, we should be free to do what we want, and marriage shouldn't be just to get somewhere high, it should be for love. Don't assume all Christians are super homophobic and hate all this, because most of them are actually not homo.
@@1876-Elbert 1yr1Y
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God created a perfect world. It was the Lucifer who created the sin. God is perfect. He cannot stand to be with sin, and that is why we do not walk side-by-side today.
@9T7WGYKRepublican1yr1Y
God does not create anybody to be “homosexual” your belief is that people are born to be gay and that is simply not true.
@B3MMD7SRepublican7mos7MO
God DOES not approve of the same gender marriages but he still loves the people. It's the act of the sin not the people. He loves everybody including people of the LGBTQ. Jesus loves you.
@9SFSKLBIndependent1yr1Y
Who are you to decide who God does and does not love? If His love is eternal and all reaching, where does it go when encountering people you don't like? If my existence is a sin, then what does that make yours? Being LGBT isn't a choice, it's just the way some people are. You know Alan Turing, right? The guy that saved hundreds of thousands of lives in WW2 by inventing the Turing Machine? Well, he was gay, and at that time, it was illegal to be gay in England. The government there prescribed him hormones, with he OD'd on and died. He was a hero. So what if he was gay? Why… Read more
@Renaldo-MoonGreen 12mos12MO
I agree with your statement, I just want to correct something.
Alan Turning's experience in therapy was so traumatic that he swallowed cyanide, believed to be a suicide.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican 10mos10MO
If you say it isn't a choice and it's just how some people are, then we should be putting them into mental hospitals to give them help, and set them straight (literally). Fine, we shouldn't hate them, but we the government definitely should not be supporting or encouraging them.
Yes, as the prophet states in the Qur'an
Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.
Kalamullah - The Word of God
@9TFWSTW1yr1Y
I'm Islamophobic and proud of it, I despise all Muslims with a burning passion. I don't care what the Qur'an says, anyone who has faith in Islam is a disgusitng pedophilia sympathist. According to Islam, pedophilic acts are acceptable, but homosexual acts are not. What kind of twisted, perverted, wicked logic is that? It absolutely flabbergasts me how over a billion Muslims can defend or excuse the revolting actions of Muhammad. I treat Islam the same way I treat NAMBLA, with absolute disgust and rejection. Just because a pedophilic cult claims to be superstitious does not mean I have to justify it's horrific beliefs and Muslims should not attempt to apply the "cultural norms" of the time to the modern day. Islam has no place in a thriving modern society.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Freedom of Religion
I don't believe in your imaginary friend and so they shouldn't be imposing on my rights. You can do whatever you like following your religious beliefs, but leave them out of the law and out of my life.
@lemans34272yrs2Y
Love is love, and it is a fundamental human right to be able to choose who you love and be with that person legally. Denying someone the right to marry the person they love simply because of their gender is a form of discrimination. And we know from history that discrimination is never the right way to go. Just imagine if people were denied the right to marry based on their race or religion! That would be unacceptable. So why should we deny someone the right to marry based on their sexual orientation? That's just wrong.
What do you think is the biggest obstacle that the LGBTQ+ community faces when it comes to achieving full equality?
True rights never entitle anyone to anything. Homosexual sodomists are demanding that the rest of society be forced to accept their so-called "marriages" – they think they are entitled to that. But all true rights do is protect individuals from force and encroachment. A right to life, for example, is a right not to be murdered, a right to liberty, a right not to be enslaved, a right to property, a right not to be stolen from, (among other related crimes). Whereas no one is using force on homosexuals by refusing to recognise their perverse activities as "marriage" &nd… Read more
@9ST7HGX1yr1Y
You do not understand what a right is and conflating your misunderstanding of your own religion with your rights as an American citizen. Furthermore, your understanding of your religion has clearly instilled in you a sense of rage against your human brothers for no reason other than it's not how you live your life. Being gay is not immoral, but using your fear of gay people to speak down on them and deny them peace as you are is.
@9TYJFHK1yr1Y
A "right to sodomy" is actually a right to not be arrested or punished for engaging in otherwise lawful, mutually consensual, intercourse. It's an extension of freedom from undue state interference. Ergo, your point doesn't apply there.
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I agree wholeheartedly. The LGBT community should not force their sinful ways on our schoolchildren, or on anyone who wants no part in it.
@9TS7HHV1yr1Y
"True rights never entitle anyone to anything"
Seriously? Of course they do! Do our rights not entitle us the freedom of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Same sex marriage fall under all of those, and we should not be restricted just because some people are a-holes.
@9Y9MYBKRepublican11mos11MO
It is weird and unnatural.
@B3C3HQL7mos7MO
I believe it is weird an unnatural for you to be so caught up in making others miserable.
So what if two women are getting married?
How does this effect YOU?
@Renaldo-MoonGreen11mos11MO
To you as a straight person it might be but to a homosexual its not. And its actually quite natural.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Then don't have a same-sex marriage. Leave YOUR beliefs out of the lives of others.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican5mos5MO
The definition of marriage is between a man and woman. It's biology, species need to mate with the other sex, not the same sex. Therefore people who follow this biological norm deserve better recognition of their love than those who fail to follow it.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
You do realize same-sex sexual relationships can be found in over 1500 species in the world, right?
The definition of Marriage is also: the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican7mos7MO
Does that mean I can claim to be married to my friend just for the sake of tax deductions?
@B4VT3PZ6mos6MO
Yes you can actually do this! It is legal to marry your friend for that purpose! I really hope you and your new spouse have fun with your newfound wealth!
@B5GL6H55mos5MO
your freaking stupid never talk again
@IamSirius32Green2yrs2Y
It's not even our problem what people do. It's their choice. We shouldn't harass them just because they're different. This is quite litterally a matter of human rights.
@HelcovichEmireRepublican5mos5MO
Denying them marriage isn't harassing them. Harassing them would be saying "You cannot love them". Saying "We refuse to recognize your love as a sacred bond" is not harassment. And gay people are sick, their lifestyle is wrong and they should not deserve the same rewards for their wrong behavior, as straight couples.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Marriage isn't a sacred thing. It's a legal thing.
You can keep YOUR religion and beliefs out of the lives of people who have 0 impact on your life.
@9CJY7NW2yrs2Y
“long as they aren't hurting them! Gay rights are HUMAN RIGHTS!!!”
Don't get me wrong, I support same sex marriage. However, I believe that if Religious services don't want to serve them, they don't have to.
Well, I can't speak for all religions, but in the case of Christianity, you shouldn't turn people away from God. He loves all of his children, even the those in sin, and you are doing more harm than good by discouraging them from having a relationship with God. As someone who has always been gay, I loved going to church and I still believe that I have a strong connection with God. However, I don't understand why other Christians turn people like me away. It may be a sin, but everyone sins, and God already knows what we will do. Also, if you have your own beliefs about the LGBTQ… Read more
Churches have a duty to speak the Truth of God's Word, without respect to the orthodoxies of fashionable opinion. The TRUTH is that God has condemned homosexuality as a moral abomination, and as such, Churches have a duty to preach that. God commands you to turn from your sin. You are 100% right that he still loves you, but that does not mean that you are given permission to sin, nor that all other persons ought to be forced to accept or even celebrate your immoral choices. I hope sincerely you will one day repent.
@9SNTNGF1yr1Y
I don't care about God. I don't care about the Bible. It's a bunch of fictional nonsense written to control, suppress free thought, and kill joy. God genocided almost the entire Earth once, including innocent children. God murdered a man for pulling out. The omnipotent God unleashed suffering on innocent Egyptians rather than simply solving things peacefully. This is not a God of love, this is a God of hatred, pain, and oppression. God has done all of these terrible things and he wants to dictate how consenting adults may love each other "unnaturally", what a frivolous thing to do when homosexuality occurs in nature. The concept of original sin is the same concept as karma used to punish people for things they never did, establishing an unfair hierarchical society.
@9ST7HGX1yr1Y
Let's assume your premise is true for the moment. Why does god condemning homosexuality give you the same permission? Whether or not gay folk have god's permission to sin is irrelevant to everyone except the gay person and god. You, the outsider, don't have to accept or celebrate anything except your own relationship with god. If you're gay and ashamed, that's on you and your religion to work out. Trust me, gay people have enough societal shame, made worse by religious zealots, and do not need all these nobodies trying to make them bear the burden of their shame too.
@B6K9PKWProgressive2mos2MO
Your belief doesn't matter.
Freedom of Religion allows you to believe whatever you want to, but it also allows me to not have your beliefs impact the laws which influence my life.
I don't believe in your imaginary friend god. Your belief in him and his laws mean nothing to me. Your religion has 0 part in my life and should have 0 part in my marriage since marriage is a legal right.
@MandateCakeRepublican2yrs2Y
That is a heartfelt perspective. However, one could also argue that the essence of respect means acknowledging and honoring others' deeply held beliefs, even when they differ from our own. For instance, while some Christians indeed embrace the LGBTQ+ community, there are others whose interpretation of their faith leads them to a different viewpoint. It's not about turning people away from God, but a conscientious adherence to what they believe their faith mandates.
@@1876-Elbert1yr1Y
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These Christians who believe that the LGBTQ+ people are not sinning have been influenced by false teachers, namely the worldly people. True Christians do not try to push people away from God, but rather we try to get them to recognize their sin and repent.
@9Y9MYBKRepublican11mos11MO
Yes everybody sins but you know this and are still choosing to constantly live a sinful lifestyle.
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